Since 2017 we had two dreadful seasons,

then in 2020 (a weird year all round) we finished in the playoffs and admittedly got knocked out in the first round
2021 we won the challenge cup made the playoffs and got to the SF
2022 after an upheaval of a start we got to the Grand Final

We've had 4 coaches since 2018 and numerous back room changes.

What's keeping Rohan in a job is he's only starting out in the brief he's been given and it isn't all going to be plain sailing, the club since 2017 has made various bad decisions but I believe they are starting to rectify that.

Fully agree. For too long now have we been way off from winning trophies and competing for the top spots in Superleague. It's not good enough and needs to change fast.

Now, undoing a lot of the damage since 2017 to start of last season will take time, there's no doubt about that. We have some cracking young players especially in the pack but nothing in the halves or at fullback as we all have discussed on many occasion, and that is a huge challenge for the club to solve. We have Fusitua and Mcdonald in the back line who seem to get a fair few injuries, Fusi in particular needs to be sent packing end of this season along with Tetevano and his wages spent in the halves and no doubt the pack, same with Sezer who is done. I'm no recruitment expert, none of us on here are, but until we get some good homegrown players in those areas we are going to have to look at young overseas talent. Jack Sinfield looks a long long way off yet, he needs to go on loan imo.

We're also lacking a top leader out there. The best teams have 2 or 3 in there team as we did at our best with JP, JJB, Kev, Mags, Buderus etc. We had great talent in the backline such as Webb, Hall, Watkins, Hardaker, Moon, Briscoe (in his pomp), Mags, Burrow.. the gulf between then and now is absolutley huge.

The damage started way before 2017. The utter lack of succession planning on the playing side was criminal. We ended up nearly relegated in 2016 and won the most awful final in SL in 2017 against a Cas team that should have blown us away, thanks basically to McGuire. That proved to be a blip in our decline as the following year we were nearly relegated again. 2015 is eight years ago - had we focused all efforts on youth development we should have a bunch of homegrown mid 20s players at the peak of their game in the squad today. The only ones remotely close to fitting that bill are Handley and Smith.

This is going to take a few years more to fix because the proven pathway to success is youth development, and we've really only started fully focusing on that in the last couple of seasons.

Incredible to think youth development was neglected. When you consider the best players were many home grown, and Saints have won so much with a core group of talented young former academy players too ….
Not rocket science to see what’s important!

Yep, you're correct. It is shocking when you really think about it. But, we need to start showing an upward trend now but that's not happening other than the young talent in the pack.

Though there are obvious issues with the squad, the players that are there are better quality than we are seeing. Constantly doing hard work coming away from your own line is lowering their quality in attack. If we had a shaun wane type coach I recon we would've won significantly more matches this year. Maybe we need to invest in a dedicated defense coach

maybe we should just play with good line speed and aggression in attack and defence.
maybe someone should mention it to rohan.....

Yep there’s that too. Clock is ticking on Rohan to get it right

Looking like Olpherts to wing Handley to Fb Myler to 7 hope the former have been practicing catching bombs.

Smith asserts that we've been in all the games this year and the majority could have gone either way. I'm not sure how he can say this is true as we never looked like beating leigh, KR, Salford and especially Warrington.

deluded

I don't know whether he means this or not, or whether he's trying to shield the players.

He's clearly an unorthodox coach, which may be in part how we got to the GF last year where he clearly got us playing as a team, which Agar couldn't do. I wish he would just come out and tell us what he is actually aiming for in performance, but the RL journos don't seem to press him on tactics enough. If he genuinely thinks we've played well in attack, what is he marking that against other than 'togetherness' which isn't exactly measurable. If he would give some indication as to what he's aiming for, at least we'd have an idea of how he's trying to play, as at the moment I've no idea!

As others have said though, this is a re-build and I'm sure many very senior high paid players have been told that they are not being offered new deals. That's not a great recipe for getting a team to but into what he's doing.

I think give us more transparency and a road map of where he sees this team going and more of us will get behind him. That's if he knows...

Yep, good point and could be a factor behind recent performances. I don't like the way that works is RL. You end up with loads of players knowing that they playing elsewhere next season and it's only May.

If that was the case they would be on the RFL recent player list as not offered a deal I think? (I could be wrong)

I wouldn't read too much into the pressers, its very rare a coach will come out and berate the players, he has said on multiple occasions that as a team we are nowhere near we should be but still has the belief that we can be, that's pretty standard for a coach to say in pressers, he's not daft.

I think the point he is making is that bar Warrington, we haven't been hammered, which we haven't, we've always been within one or two scores, I'm not saying that's good enough, it isn't.