As I posted earlier this is the weakest rhinos squad for years. Has Brian Mac got the ablilty to scrape a top four finish ,this remains to be seen.

You had us down to finish 6th, and behind Saints and Cas mate, which would back up the point I made. You would be in the majority who would have expected three wins.

Not a chance.

I've got Leeds down to finish 4th but half expected us to lose to Saints & Cas away.

Am I still an optimist?

I'm so confused now.

as good as cas are, way ahead of us, they beat an under strength promoted side at home then went to a weaker warrington time at a good time.
I fully expect them to be challenging top two this year but they will have sterner tests

I think there's enough talent to challenge. It's the weakest coaching set up that's the issue.

Hey, it's another win. Much like the Stoke by election for Labour.

On the plus side, Warrington are bottom, Wigan only scraped a win against Widnes and Saints lost to Leigh, so it seems nobody is looking too good at the moment.

I think it's a very tight competition this year. I think there's around 8 clubs that can finish in the top 4. Leeds can, but improvements will need to be made, but if we can speed the game up when we have the ball to allow Parcell to get out of dummy half then we will score a lot of points. I didn't see that much of Seggy before he signed for us, but Parcell looks the better player to me, other than kicking game, I think Parcell has the better all round game.

Two clubs beat the Aussies quite comfortably. Not many in Super League would have.

Warrington, Wigan, Cas, Saints are way ahead of everybody else in the competition, whatever current results. Catalans and Hull, are then a further distance from the clubs below that six. It might be tight up top, but the bottom six will not be pushing into that top six select, unless there is a change to a respective club.

Parcell I agree with you looks very good and a massive plus for us. But with this coach, his selections, his tactics, there isn't a chance of pushing top teams. Change that, and who knows what can happen.

Thursday will be messy for sure , we have no structure . Everyone knew we needed an organising Stand off or Scrum Half . The pack seems lightweight and our tactic of taking 2 points when it would have been our 4th set of six on their line and them cream crackered beggared belief . We are lightyears away from Cas and Wigan plus Wire when Brown plays . Hull despite not being great will probably be 4th . The only improvement from last season is fitness and attitude and that only takes you so far . I was hoping for 5th place because of the poor standard of Super league now it is more likely 6th or 7th . The loss to a poor Saints team was a good indicator to that . No way should a club as big as Leeds not be challenging for top four (and no i do not believe we have a devine right to win everything) .

apart from naming saints, who are worse than us!!!, I agree with that.
saints and us have the same problem, a coach who can't coach

Saints do have a poor coach tad, but they are way ahead of us. They at least have the plays and players who are capable. I am more than confident they will be In the top four regardless.

Correct Tad and as much as i want Leeds to win , sneaking a win against a moderate side at home keeps him in a job

I've said this before to you too Gotcha but i don't see Saints in much of a different boat to us to be honest, i certainly don't see them as any more than a fringe contender.