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Quote: Worlds Apart "The 'play Cuthbertson at hooker' gag only works when you've got players like Watkins and Hardaker in the backline to give you options. We didn't have that tonight, were playing a one-up game and without a proper hooker at no chance.

Garbutt as mentioned, was excellent.

Cuthbertson & JP looked shot and in need of a rest, Cutho in particular.

Achurch went well and should have got more minutes.

Golding was (as always) utter gash. Can't defend, can't position himself, can't link into the line, can't beat a man. Get rid asap, he's clearly never going to make it in SL which is why even the 19s prefer Handley at FB to him. The worst player to wear a Rhinos shirt since George Elliott, and that is saying something.

Hopefully all three absentees will be back for next weekend. If not, Robbie Ward needs to play, he is at least an out-and-out hooker and for the complaints about his performance at Hull he's gone well in the past.

Meantime someone needs to remind Magsy that when you've got two of the best aerial wingers in the comp you should occasionally try putting the ball in the air. Every effing time we got near their line we ran it down the short side, despite Briscoe (and more usually Hally) screaming for it on the far side.

Looking at the catalans trip next weekend I'd be going

Golding did ok for his experience, he picked up some ty balls and worked it back.......Delaney for me was biggest let down today, maybe the injury had an effect but either a big off game or not fit all round.

Ward and Garbutt were strong, back line was dis-jointed but not enough clean ball, easy to read for Saints.

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Quote: Worlds Apart "

Golding was (as always) utter gash.
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What? d040.gif

He's no Hardaker, obviously, but he did about as well as could be expected tonight.

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Quote: Worlds Apart "The 'play Cuthbertson at hooker' gag only works when you've got players like Watkins and Hardaker in the backline to give you options. We didn't have that tonight, were playing a one-up game and without a proper hooker at no chance.

Garbutt as mentioned, was excellent.

Cuthbertson & JP looked shot and in need of a rest, Cutho in particular.

Achurch went well and should have got more minutes.

Golding was (as always) utter gash. Can't defend, can't position himself, can't link into the line, can't beat a man. Get rid asap, he's clearly never going to make it in SL which is why even the 19s prefer Handley at FB to him. The worst player to wear a Rhinos shirt since George Elliott, and that is saying something.

Hopefully all three absentees will be back for next weekend. If not, Robbie Ward needs to play, he is at least an out-and-out hooker and for the complaints about his performance at Hull he's gone well in the past.

Meantime someone needs to remind Magsy that when you've got two of the best aerial wingers in the comp you should occasionally try putting the ball in the air. Every effing time we got near their line we ran it down the short side, despite Briscoe (and more usually Hally) screaming for it on the far side.

Looking at the catalans trip next weekend I'd be going

Very harsh on Golding - perhaps if the senior players hadn't have made the errors they did his job would have been easier?

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Ablett for me the biggest dissapointment, like watching a young kid in a kids match. World class players outside him, but constantly holds onto the ball, believing he can beat them on his own. Very frustrating player this year, and that match what he has been like most of the year.

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Maybe if Golding could catch the ing ball or tackle a man, we wouldn't have done six repeat sets.

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Quote: Gotcha "Ablett for me the biggest dissapointment, like watching a young kid in a kids match. World class players outside him, but constantly holds onto the ball, believing he can beat them on his own. Very frustrating player this year, and that match what he has been like most of the year.'"


The first try typifies his efforts all year - simply way off the pace - he made no effort despite being the nearest man to effect a tackle.

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Quote: Worlds Apart "Maybe if Golding could catch the loving ball or tackle a man, we wouldn't have done six repeat sets.'"


He caught pretty much every kick, and made a good one on one tackle on Swift. He lacked upper body strength to stop the Jones, and Walsh trys, but it's hardly surprising, the kids 18!

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Quote: Charlie Sheen "He caught pretty much every kick, and made a good one on one tackle on Swift. He lacked upper body strength to stop the Jones, and Walsh trys, but it's hardly surprising, the kids 18!'"


Perhaps if a senior player had done his job Golding would not have been called into action for the Walsh try - the Jones try was debatable I think he did all he could - I don't the Hardaker would have done any better given the build up.

What he doesn't offer is the strike power Hardaker does in attack.

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Quote: Charlie Sheen "He caught pretty much every kick, and made a good one on one tackle on Swift. He lacked upper body strength to stop the Jones, and Walsh trys, but it's hardly surprising, the kids 18!'"


Except those three kicks that went for Saints repeat sets, except for every tackle failure that lead to a Saints try.

Being able to catch a ball and make a tackle mean you can cut in the unde-13s. More is required to be a SL player. If he's not trusted to play FB for the 19s then god knows why we're picking him over Handley.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "The first try typifies his efforts all year - simply way off the pace - he made no effort despite being the nearest man to effect a tackle.'"



Don't know what has happened to him this year. Seems to get a lot of leeway from supporters due to past exploits. Having being so consistent over last three years, has been a big dissapointment this. He plays like he believes in his hype. Thought he played well last week, especially defensively where I have questioned him this year, but tonight was back to square one.

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Quote: Gotcha "Don't know what has happened to him this year. Seems to get a lot of leeway from supporters due to past exploits. Having being so consistent over last three years, has been a big dissapointment this. He plays like he believes in his hype. Thought he played well last week, especially defensively where I have questioned him this year, but tonight was back to square one.'"


Who knows - could be carrying an injury, his drop in form is alarming all the same

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Quote: Worlds Apart "Maybe if Golding could catch the loving ball or tackle a man, we wouldn't have done six repeat sets.'"


Did you watch the game?

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If we had jjb I'd rest Ablett next week .

With Delaney clearly struggling we don't have that luxury.might be worth starting ward and achurch in the SR with cuthbertson back at lf and burrow at hooker with R Ward on the bench with ablett

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Ablett has been very disappointing, overall. He's had a half a dozen decent games, but this has been his worst season in terms of not meeting expectations. It's frustrating because, he had a full pre season, and I thought not getting picked for England would really fire him up to prove a point this season.
I actually don't think it's a case of him believing his own hype, I think he actually looks a little short of confidence, especially with his handling. He was probably guilty of trying to force the pass a little too much early in the season which resulted in errors, and he seems to have gone into his shell a little bit and kept hold of the ball more than he perhaps has done previously.

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Thought Ablett was ok and Golding improved as the game went on. Biggest concern for me is missing Aiton. Sinfield is probably the best option for DH but we look very one dimensional in attack with only Mcguire to play off. Second best tonight, Saints won the ruck and their kicking game was exceptional.
Not too concerned yet but we need an improvement next week.

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