What? he is same age as Ablett and Delaney, and younger than JJB.

You do realise there is a difference between the players you have and the players you go out and sign yes?

I realise that you made a mistake when you said he was "knocking on a bit". Now you are trying to say something else.

Did you have a problem in us signing Cuthbertson also, when we had Singleton and Baldwinson younger?

no, I meant he was knocking on a bit, I'm not trying to say anything else. There is a difference between going out and competing for a 29 year old 2nd rower who has never proven it at a top club, and keeping a couple you already have, who already have.

If Delany was at Wakefield, I wouldn't be clamouring for his signing.

As for Cuthbertson, props last a bit longer, he will likely be replacing an older player and we aren't as strong in depth at prop as we are in 2nd row. Only Singleton right now, and Mulhern in the next year or so will be ready for regular games, in the back row we have Baldwinson, Foster, Ward, Sutcliffe making that step up, Achurch and Clarkson who are too old for anything else, as well as Delany, Ablett and JJB.

And that is perfectly fair enough to have that view. But it had nothing to do with age, so when you said he "was knocking on a bit" it was indeed a mistake, and not what you meant.

No, it is exactly what I meant. If Kirmond was 21 or 22 then I would definitely be in favour of his signing, if he was even 23/24 ready to kick on, then yes grab him. But he isn't, he would be 29yr old and whoever signs him will get 2 decent years on a good 4 year contract for a player who hasn't much improvement in him and even then isn't much better than what he have.

So like I said previously. As Cuthbertson is a year older, I am presuming you think that signing not worthwhile also?

Look back, just one page.