Where did I say they did?

They provide a guide for those who maybe weren't at this particular game, but have opinions based on players previous performances

I never said you did. I asked the question. So your saying no, that's fair enough.

Those stats pretty much reflect the amount of game time each player had on the pitch. It doesn't bode as a comparison tool though.

It doesn't bode as a comparison tool full stop. They both played completely different styles of game. One had a massive effect of changing the game and striking a momentum for the team, and the other wasn't working from a team perspective.

You're preaching to the choir! I watched the same game as you.

I was merely saying that if you didn't watch the game and was looking at the stats, not to read too much into them as they only tell half a story.

I see that Weyman has been charged with making dangerous contatct with JP's legs as early as the 6th minute.
I'm surprised that there has been no mention of that on here from those who went.
Particularly given the injuries JP has suffered to his knees/legs in the past.

I know, I wasn't ramming the message home to you. I could see from your post you were singing the same tune

I've always been in the start with a more traditional hooker camp.

If we were like a Wigan or Wire who like to get off to a fast starts and build an early lead then yes start Burrow. But we usually work our way into games and hit our better moments later on, like yesterday.

Comparing these two hookers is quite difficult. It's not like comparing 2 props or even the right centre to the left centre. It's not always what the hooker does for his own stats....but what he does and brings out of others (mainly the forwards). Also the workload taken off the others in defence.

That's exactly how I read them. It confirms what I thought and Which one I would prefer to start.

Bingo. And that was exactly the situation yesterday. Other days it might be different, but yesterday that is exactly what happened. One worked perfectly with the players around him, the other it didn't work.

Pretty hard to spot without TV replays.

I see Elima was charged. His did not look good. Very hard to determine intent from a replay, but at best it was recklessly careless.

Dunno about the Weyman one, but Elima's was certainly the sort of thing the RFL might want to take a dim view of and stamp out quickly IMO. Intent or not, it looked dangerous and the tackler needs to take responsibility for their actions. Game's tough enough etc.

One purpose of quoting the stats was in answer to another posters request for a comparison. I made no comment on the stats as both players were on the field for differing times and differing circumstances.

Of course it is true that stats don't tell the whole story but neither does the statement you made (see below) which displays you usual lack of balance.



To say the "game hinged on the on the substitution of Burrow" was to ignore the other factors. In the first half both sides were a bit rusty which was to be expected. Their pack were the equal of ours with some good defence and our discipline was not too good. In the 2nd half their pack faded away with nowhere near the same effort as the first half. Also perhaps the coach gave a good half time team talk and adjusted the game plan.

I am pleased Aiton did some good work in his short time on the field but he had the benefit of facing a pack that was running out of steam, something that Burrow also benefitted from when he returned. The 2nd half also saw our backs making clean breaks which turned the game in our favour including Burrow with his try assist.

What the stats record but you didn't is that Burrow made a clean break and try assist and 4 tackle busts which indicate he wasn't "very poor" for all the game.

I make no apologies for my usual agenda, which is to challenge depressingly negative comments whenever possible. You being a serial offender are therefore fair game.

As you mention "usual agenda" I noticed on the Kirke thread you called our coach a "knobjockey" on three separate posts. Why do you have to resort to insulting someone behind their back? If you ever where to summon up the courage to repeat your poor taste remark to McDermott's face I would appreciate some notice as I would make a special effort to be there.