mainly because simultaneous doesnt exist other than the level we are prepared to measure it to. If that was a drop goal attempt you wouldnt be arguing it should be ruled out for a knock on. In fact it would be a text book example of a drop kick. The fact it wasnt is irrelevant. There was less than a frame between the ball hitting the ground and Mcguires foot touching it, to expect referees to judge (and in most cases with the naked eye) between that not being a drop kick ( his foot touch is it first) and it being a knock on (it hitting the ground first) makes it simply impossible to adhere to. Nobody in the history of the world has had the dexterity to hit the ball at the exact moment it hits the ground, nobody in the history of the world has the ability to judge it.

If Mcguires was a knock on, we cannot, as people, adhere to that rule. We are simply as a kicker and a referee, guessing.

It took Ganson 2 minutes of slow motion for him to be confident the ball hit the ground first, that should have told him the correct answer.

Most impressive part of the performance was not crumbling after wigans start to the 2nd half. It's a step in the right direction.

It's needs to be backed up with another good performance next week. Results aren't as important for us anymore, as we are sleep walking and stumbling into 5 - 8th place.

Best chance of silverware is 3 mammoth performances in the CC and some luck.

The Wigan try which was given highlighted the idiocy of that rule. It was sent as a knock on having left one Wigan players hand and landed in anothers, yet had that been judged as a deliberate rather than accidental action, the exact same scene couldnt have been judged by the referee.

Surely it cannot beyond an engineer to see an obvious solution to the forward pass issue. The complexity of hawkeye in tennis and cricket is far greater than that judging a forward pass.

But you would agree there is a limit? For example, you wouldn't let a prop knock on and then hoof the ball downfield?

For me, there was too much time between the ball hitting the ground and McGuire kicking the ball. I don't think it was a half-volley.

Just speaking as someone with more knowledge and experience of the game than yourself. Also the making up of silly little names speaks volumes about you.

It was a strange one. I have seen people grubber the ball on the 1/2 volley purposely, plenty of times and pla been allowed to continue.
McGuire was going to kick the ball and had it dislodged by Tomkins, it's not like he dropped it and kicked it as an after thought. For this reason I could see a try being awarded, not that I feel we can complain that it wasn't. I think that Ganson was thinking about giving it, hence the delay.

There was too much time when it was played in slow motion with the frame rate slowed and a massive gap between each frame. But in real time it wasnt a noticable difference.

The thought process Ganson had to apply was would i rule this out as a drop goal at full speed, otherwise we have the exact same kick ruled differently depending on the supposed aim of it.

Maybe it is a rule that needs cleaning up and a different criteria placed, such as the ball needs to be kicked before it leaves the ground again, but as per the rules and every judgement of a kick previously, Mcguire executed a text book drop kick.

We certainly did not have the rub of the green but despite the:

forward pass try and...

the two times Wigan lost the ball at a PTB near their line yet missed by the 3 officials and....

S Tomkins not being sin binned which even the Sky comentators briefly mentioned

.....we did put in a worthy performance which included a good come back after the lapses just after half time. So well done the team and well done McD.

Even in real time (barring my first viewing, which was obstructed) I wouldn't have given it. There was simply too much time between.

I too would like to see it cleaned up, but how exactly?

Well done on hardly bringing any fans, losing your cup final and failing to beat us in one of our worst performances of the season

Wigan will be back to mediocrity next season when Maguire goes and takes his underhand tactics with him.

There was less than a frame between it hitting the floor and him kicking it. It was a 'best guess' from Ganson. Now im pragmatic enough to understand most of what Refs do is a best guess scenario, but when you are taking 2 minutes to decide, it is clear, that in real time, it was close enough.

as a Ref, would you have disallowed it as a successful drop goal?

Id judge on intent. If it was a response to dropping the ball, then the burden rests on the kicker, if it was a kick, then the benefit lies with the kicker.

I cant see what the game gains by that split second difference being important.