I think the kicks were very good kicks first and foremost, and that even the best of Full backs would have struggled to deal with them. I have stated elsewhere that i am unsure on Golding and his ability overall anyway for that role, but i still believe he was fully committed to taking them, he just couldn't simple as that for me. Hopefully he learns from the experience, can go away and work on that part of his game because you can be sure next time he starts a game at Full back kicks will be raining down on him.

Like i said, i do agree on the whole about the desire issue, but i do think that has improved of late. we just haven't been quite good enough to get the result and that imo is entirely down to the structure, or lack of, that the team is playing with right now especially in defence.

I actually think the fact that Golding kept trying to catch those difficult kicks really shows some desire. I have seen plenty of fullbacks drop a bomb and then let the rest bounce or leave them to your winger etc.

Lilley actually had eyes on Ta'i but didn't get out of marker fast enough or hard enough. He did get to Ta'i well before the line but the tackle was weak and Ta'i walked out of it pretty much unimpeded.

50 seconds .... that's how long Leeds had to wait to see if the full-back was going to command the kicks coming his way.

Good news, Leeds don't have to face Danny Brough at the John Smith's stadium every week .... just last week and this.

Hopefully a different fullback. Mind you Brough can kick them at wingers as well.

Have you ever played ANY sports at all in your life because pointing at errors and claiming they're down to a lack of desire would suggest not.

I've seen players makes mistakes in GF's and CCF's. I've seen players in both team and individual sports make errors in major finals and tournaments. I watched Jordan Speith last month, a proven talent and major winner have a complete nightmare on one hole at the Masters.....was it because he didn't have the desire? I've seen both Peacock and Sinfield miss tackles, knock on and miss kicks in a Grand Final, was that down to desire?

Well I am entitled to my opinion and I feel sure you have never played fullback in your life. Had you done so you would never have made the above statement. He dropped, or failed to get to, three very difficult and very high bombs in swirling conditions which spun away from him at the last moment. This was IMO obviously not a mental thing as he never stopped going for them and caught an absolute beauty just before half time which showed his mental toughness and for which his coach sought him out to pact him on the back at half time.

Maybe you could say a more experience fullback would have taken some of them but maybe not. As I have pointed out our MOS has dropped a few this year and has shown a tendency to hang back and let others have a go this year - now that could be a mental thing as you put it.

Well funny you should say - I did play FB at school not very well - a lack of pace being but one issue.

Nigel Whitehouse who I think went on to play for Halifax was the hooker in the very same school team - that is a long time ago.

If you had the right desire you'd have been faster

Nobody would ever question JP's effort or desire, but I've seen him miss tackles, drop balls and throw out dopey offloads. Same with Sinfield.

A lack of effort or desire is where you end up just letting the ball bounce because you don't fancy it. Don't think anyone could seriously accuse Golding of that on Friday.

i can't believe some of the pessimistic views regarding jordan lilley on this forum
some folk seriously need to give their heads a shake and realise just what a fantastic talent we have on our hands here

jordan will make mistakes and make wrong decisions during games,but he won't go into his shell and disappear during games like some players do

Stick this kid behind a dominant pack of forwards and in a side playing with confidence and then you will see just how good he is

i hope he makes some posters eat their words down the track

So do I.

As someone who played fullback quite a bit at a reasonable you sometimes you can't catch a thing, other days you take everything. The problem is mental, I don't think that's the same as it being desire

Never underestimate the stupidity of some SouthStander posters.

How are you aware of this phenomenon?