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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Great game to watch - ball being thrown around, some great attacking moves - much rather watch an unstructured game like this than defensive bore-fest'"
Because both sides were awful in defence it led to quite an exciting, close game granted. But no classic in my eyes.
On Leeds, we looked a bit better at times on attack but its hard to gauge how much of that was down to Saints soft ass Defence as to our great play. Our middle is still shocking at times, still dominated at the ruck and allowing teams to get roll ons every time.Still look unorganised and kicking game is non existant. Plenty of desire shown from the team this week though, which was good to see.
For me, we still have plenty of things to fix up before we get a consistent run of wins going.
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| Quote: DHM "The only real issue I have with Sutcliffe is that for a big guy he hits like a wet tissue. He was very bright when he came on last night, there was briefly the hint that our halves were starting to connect the team together. When he went to FB it also seemed to affect Lilley who was much less effective second half.
I also wasn't entirely convinced Amor's hit on Hardaker was legal. There was little to no arm involved, looked like a straight shoulder shot and I think Hardaker was knocked out by the hit, not brushing his head on Sutcliffe on the way down. Thought he was out immediately - looked like a whiplash style injury.'"
It looked a lot like the shot Joel Moon got sent off for against Saints last year, only harder.
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| Quote: craigizzard "It looked a lot like the shot Joel Moon got sent off for against Saints last year, only harder.'" didn't make contact with the head. Not a shoulder charge even though arms didn't wrap. Just a good hit
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| Personally didn't see much wrong with the Amour tackle, just a big hit. Don't think the players liked it though JJB gave amour a little pastie in the tackle after
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| The annoying thing with our defence this year is that there is only really one root cause, our inability to control the ruck, even in tackles where we get 2 or three bodies in. If we can fix this, we'll be alright.
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| Both teams could have lost it and at times they both looked like they were trying to.
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| Quote: DHM "
I also wasn't entirely convinced Amor's hit on Hardaker was legal. There was little to no arm involved, looked like a straight shoulder shot and I think Hardaker was knocked out by the hit, not brushing his head on Sutcliffe on the way down. Thought he was out immediately - looked like a whiplash style injury.'"
It was just a well timed and executed crash tackle resulting in what looked like a whiplash injury to the neck. On the replay you could see Amor going for the big hit, on the replay it didn't look as though Zak had been knocked out he raised his arms to the side of his head. We don't normally see big hits like these every week, it just shows the damage that can be done in a game of rugby for both codes.
The incidence certainly fired up the Leeds pack for the next 5 mins with some heavy gang tackles, in the meantime Zak walked passed us on the touchline trying to get some mobility back into his neck.
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| Some great pace by Lilley to catch Percival who had broken through
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| A very entertaining match and encouraging signs that our attack, attitude and confidence are much improved despite the ongoing appalling injury problems. Whilst there were defensive errors there was also plenty of excellent attacking play from individuals and team play from both sides which would have been too good for even the best defenses.
Saints's fast start was the difference in the end when we were at 6s and 7s. with Hardaker again in poor form. Once the very disappointing "proper hooker" Falloon was replaced our attack started to function with Burrow again leading the way and was our MOM. (207 metres, 8 Busts, 4 clean breaks, a try and even 10 tackles)
Other outstanding performances and never say die attitude came from JJB (42 tkls + 110m), Keinhorst (40 tkls + 2 tries), Galloway (36 tkls + 90m) and Garbutt (32 tkls + 134m) who really had to stand up in the second half with only Falloon on the bench. Also deserving of mention were Mullally too (30 tkls + determined individual try), Handley (great try and offload assist) Lilley (creativity and nice offloads even showed a bit of pace!) Sutcliffe (good handling and running, a great pass for an assist but was at fault for maybe 2 tries.) and Golding (despite dropping a bomb his linking & offloading were good and he scored and made assist)
On the debit side it is difficult to see what Falloon offers and Watkins seems so lacking in spark with yet another game without a clean break. With an injury free squad neither would make the 17 for me on their form so far this year.
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| Quote: Barrie's Glass Eye "The annoying thing with our defence this year is that there is only really one root cause, our inability to control the ruck, even in tackles where we get 2 or three bodies in. If we can fix this, we'll be alright.'"
Agree with this and biff's earlier comment. If we got same speed ptb that we concede we would be much better off. It was real hot and cold stuff last night and some defence was woeful. I can't see saints pushing for any honours playing like that on a regular basis.
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| I wish they did stats for collisions won - because whilst there may be some impressive tackle stats, the amount of times the opposition find their fronts and get a quick PTB is ridiculous - we're getting crucified on the back of it, with often 2 or 3 men still running back to get inside, facing their own line when the opposition hooker already has the ball in his hands and scooting out....
Keinhorst put in a real shift, Burrow looked dangerous and Lilley again showed he's a real creative little halfback - great effort! Sutcliffe had a few good touches, but mixed it up with some poor play too...
Falloon looks unfit and Galloway is a big, slow, plodding liability - he might do decent minutes, but his yards are cumbersome at best, his play the ball speed is worse than JPs was at the end of his career, and in defence he gets left on the floor nearly every time, or gives away a stupid stupid penalty.... Not impressed!
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| Quote: Juan Cornetto "A very entertaining match and encouraging signs that our attack, attitude and confidence are much improved despite the ongoing appalling injury problems. Whilst there were defensive errors there was also plenty of excellent attacking play from individuals and team play from both sides which would have been too good for even the best defenses.
Saints's fast start was the difference in the end when we were at 6s and 7s. with Hardaker again in poor form. Once the very disappointing "proper hooker" Falloon was replaced our attack started to function with Burrow again leading the way and was our MOM. (207 metres, 8 Busts, 4 clean breaks, a try and even 10 tackles)
Other outstanding performances and never say die attitude came from JJB (42 tkls + 110m), Keinhorst (40 tkls + 2 tries), Galloway (36 tkls + 90m) and Garbutt (32 tkls + 134m) who really had to stand up in the second half with only Falloon on the bench. Also deserving of mention were Mullally too (30 tkls + determined individual try), Handley (great try and offload assist) Lilley (creativity and nice offloads even showed a bit of pace!) Sutcliffe (good handling and running, a great pass for an assist but was at fault for maybe 2 tries.) and Golding (despite dropping a bomb his linking & offloading were good and he scored and made assist)
On the debit side it is difficult to see what Falloon offers and Watkins seems so lacking in spark with yet another game without a clean break. With an injury free squad neither would make the 17 for me on their form so far this year.'"
Saints were watching Watkins closely last night as others do because they know he is the threat. Agree his attacking form though is still way down. He put in another great effort in defence as another second row as achurch and jjb ran out of gas.
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| Quote: Mark Laurie "Saints were watching Watkins closely last night as others do because they know he is the threat. Agree his attacking form though is still way down. He put in another great effort in defence as another second row as achurch and jjb ran out of gas.'"
He made 23 tackles which is about par for the course for his position. With our severe injury list I would expect seasoned professionals to stand up and be counted. But Watkins never goes looking for the ball and compared with Keinhorst last night he looked lazy and has been less effective than Moon for the last two years which is disappointing for a player with such natural gifts.
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| If Keinhorst had Watkin's pace or Watkins had Keinhorst's work ethic what a pair of centres we'd have.
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| I may be wide of the mark but Watkins seems to lack enthusiasm this year. Yes, the spark seems to be gone and he looks to be just going through the motions a lot of the time.Some of the basic errors he makes you can only put down to lack of concentration. Only in the second half at Catalan when he ripped through for 20 minutes has he looked dangerous, that apart he has been ordinary for a player of his considerable talents.
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