I can think of several players who Leeds have deemed surplus to requirements, path blocked by a better 1st team option at the point where they need 1st grade rugby to develope or released to prevent blocking a bigger talent coming through below them.

My question is; do you have any examples where Leeds have received a fee in such circumstances?

Jordan Tansey to Hull and?

Hardly a surprise when that one 'splashy' overseas signing didn't directly replace any of the four players Leeds were losing from their 1st grade squad between the end of the 2008 season and the start of the 2009 one.

It was an odd signing, guaranteed only to reduce the role a long standing, existing and continueing member of the 1st grade squad.

Whatever the Leeds recruitment policy in the last off season was, the results thus far have seen them relinquish their hold on the WCC trophy they held and lose at the first hurdle in a home Challenge Cup tie. Results that the club would be right to consider unacceptable. On the plus side the absence from mounting any serious challenge in the cup has allowed them the breathing space throughout the year to take out the League Leaders Shield (thanks in part to a faltering St Helens outfit) and place themselves in absolute pole position to win their third successive title.

If and when that happens I'll be as proud as any other Leeds fan, IMO.



There is no maybe about it, is there? When you look at the reserves who went out to St Helens last weekend it was a Leeds team containing plenty of SL experienced young players who are supposed to be on the fringes of the Leeds 1st grade, (Watkins, Jones-Bishop, Ratu, Broughton, Allan, Pitts, McShane, Manning, Gibson and Chandler), they got beat 59 - 28.

I take as much pride as the next Loiner for Leeds staying within the salary cap and within the overseas trained limits set down by the RFL but next season they are using a loophole to get around the quota.

if saints, or anybody else falter tvoc, then that is there fault.
the coaching staff have been supurb this season in the timing of the run at the end of the season

Anyone got a list of ex leeds players playing in SL?

Fox, Murell, Cockayne and and now Ratu all HKR. Do they have their own acadamy?

That's a fair comment.

My point there was that St Helens blew a four point lead (with a healthy points difference advantage) and turned it into a four point deficit (with a healthy points difference disadvantage.) Leeds did all they could do by carrying on winning (Wigan away aside) but it was St Helens that lost their way. Only two points of that eight point swing was directly down to Leeds.

The same thing happened (only in reverse) in 2008.



I never realised he had any connection to Leeds.

My mistake!

Ask Hull FC if we have our own academy!

Netherton?

Theyve also stolen Sam Moa from Hull FC on a 2 year contract, announced tomorrow apparently.

I think ive got them all, its all I can think of at the moment anyway so it'll have to do!
Danny Sculthorpe
Peter Fox
Chev Walker
Nick Fozzard
Scott Murrell
Jason Netherton
Chris Feather
Terry Newton
Nick Scruton
Adrian Morley
Garreth Carvell
Richie Mathers
Ben Kaye
Danny Ward
Jason Golden
Luke Gale
Mark Calderwood
Gareth Raynor
Ewan Dowes

All the above plus:

Michael Wainwright
Peter Lupton
Matt Gardner
Joe Walsh
Jordan Tansey
Richard Moore

Unsure

Michael McIllorum?
Chaz I'Anson?

no on McIllorum, he was on the rhinos scholarship but signed for wigan.

walsh was released wasn't he?

could also add Joe Mbu to the list, although he was only here on loan

Most of the above were released or chose to leave at the end of their contracts. Very few were sold on which emphasises a point I made earlier in the thread.



All the above are on the playing rostas in 2009 of other Super League clubs, which club is Mbu currently at?

Why downplay Leeds league leadership in such a manner?

Leadership often changes hands during the course of a season. The only league positions that matter are those after the final rounds have been played.

Leeds, as you say, held a healthy lead in the league table in 2008. They held a massive lead in 2005. I don't recall Leeds fans ever questioning whether Saints won their LLS those years or whether we threw them away. How typical of Southstander though that our own fans would question whether we won it or Saints threw it away.