Quote: Tony Soprano "I think we may have to disagree on this one, for me Walmsley makes just as much intent to hit with the shoulder as Moon did, both had raised arms but not enough to affect a correct tackle rlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v rlhttps://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/rugby-league/9466984/was-walmsley's-red-warranted?rl'" www.redvee.net/forums/showthread ... 2014/page5 Couple of posts down. Arm on the back, and contact has been made but not with the head. Slightly late? Yes. Clumsy? Most definitely. Worthy of a 1 game ban? Probably. Shoulder charge! No. And as I said, intent has nothing to do with the gradings.

Quote: Tony Soprano "I think we may have to disagree on this one, for me Walmsley makes just as much intent to hit with the shoulder as Moon did, both had raised arms but not enough to affect a correct tackle rlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v rlhttps://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/rugby-league/9466984/was-walmsley's-red-warranted?rl'" www.redvee.net/forums/showthread ... 2014/page5 Couple of posts down. Arm on the back, and contact has been made but not with the head. Slightly late? Yes. Clumsy? Most definitely. Worthy of a 1 game ban? Probably. Shoulder charge! No. And as I said, intent has nothing to do with the gradings.

Thanks for posting a link to that picture although I'm unsure what it proves/disproves

Like I said, both reckless contact with head but not old fashion shoulder charges IMO

Moon, standing still, hits guy who is tackled and going down in the head with his shoulder. It's a red card.

Walmsley runs at a player at speed who then passes the ball and flattens him with his shoulder. It's worst than Moons. He knew what he was doing - he gave away the scrum that led to that play so was trying to make amends with a big hit.

I think Walmsley has been lucky for it not to be classed as a shoulder charge but it was definitely late and high.

Moon's challenge, in my opinion, was awful. He had no reason to even join in the tackle, let alone then throw his shoulder while stood still. It's not even as if he just timed his run wrong or went for a big hit.

What does annoy me though is the number of high tackles and face rubbing that goes on without being penalised.

Why not? It's Rugby League, putting multiple players into tackles is a key defensive strategy. What if he'd stood and watched and Percival had wriggled out of Baileys tackle? You have to have some appreciation about how quick all this happens, Moon would have mentally commited to a challenge early, he can't wait to see if anyone else tackles Percival.

I don't have a problem with both incidents being being red cards. I've said on other threads about the speed, strength and power of players today and I think players have to be very careful when tackling. Neither of these incidents were just arms stuck out by a lazy/off-balance defender.

I'd agree that neither of them are shoulder charges but the shoulder, not just the arm, makes contact with the head so red card for me.

In my opinion they both should've been sending off sufficient as neither player have poor records but I don't see the reasoning behind a 2 game ban for Moon, who might have some mitigation (player falling etc), but a 1 game ban for Walmsley.

I'd have to agree with that. Moon was actually a mistimed tackle for me. He gets it wrong because Percival was too quick for him.

The Walmsley send off was ridiculous & should never have been graded as a shoulder charge.

The problem with both incidents is that slow motion replays made them look a lot worse than they actually were & could imply there was intent.

How Joel Tomkins got nothing more than a penalty for a deliberate late shoulder charge on a player with his back turned is beyond me.

He plays for Wigan.
They have been very lucky this year with how Redhall has viewed them.
Several players have escaped any sort of ban that other clubs including Leeds have had to face this year.
I think at one time Leeeds were given the same good fortune but certainly not lately.

Those were the days

Neither are that bad IMO. To the letter of the law both were red cards, think Walmsley's ban is about right, and Moon's is harsh.

That boring old chestnut




Walmsleys shoulder leading arm never moves!, his other arm strokes Robinsons back, sorry but I don't see how he "tries to make a tackle"





I never said it was a shoulder charge if you look back a couple pages.


[i"In the Panel’s opinion you used an illegal Shoulder Charge and made direct initial contact with the head your opponent (Robinson)"[/i

rlhttps://www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/disciplinary/item?5798rl

Any incident where a player is concussed by a late hit or a shoulder is worthy of a ban IMO. I'm not going to quibble whether player x deserved a bigger ban than player y, I just think that the RFL can't afford to be seen to be doing nothing in the light of recent research. And the coaches need to do what they can to stamp it out too.