I think with a more simple game plan and an end to these pathetic shortcut trick plays were now renowned for that we wouldn't actually be a bad side.

Were trying to reinvent the wheel when we really just need to drop the gimmicks and get back to some simple, grind it out rugby league at least until we get our feet back under ourselves. Were trying desperately to adhere to a style that we cant possibly continue with and running ourselves ragged and up our own bootys trying to score off every play and its just not sustainable.

In the backs, no major complaints, but some concerns. Miller is worth persevering with IMO. I like Momirovski but he would benefit from a longer-run. He's obviously not a blockbusting Senior style centre but I think he could be a good winger's centre given time and more opportunities. Handley is probably one of the first names on the team sheet.

It's surely time for Leeds to move Fusitua on. He's a welcome presence on the wing (and in the air) when fit, but his tendency to rush in field to put in a big hit has left us exposed too often, as illustrated against Hull. I was in favour of keeping him but after the injuries this season it is just too much - we can't waste a quota spot on someone with his record.

Newman is the big concern in the backs. He's a shadow of the player who was monstering Field and French and ripping the top clubs to shreds (when fit) last season. Is he carrying a knock, or is it something else? Since signing his new deal he has been substandard. He should be our Senior-style centre. I'd forgive his selfishness with the ball and bad attitude if he could get back to impacting games like he used to, now he's just anonymous.

Halves. Croft is great, as evidenced by the high number of try assists. We need to build a game around him a lot more. I'm not that bothered about Frawley - I think he's been solid, all the more so after being dropped. I suspect we'd see a lot more from both halves if the pack was more dominant.

As far as the forwards are concerned, they should be as nervous as Smith is about whether or not they will be retained. I think we're fine at hooker with a fit Ackers and O'Connor and Johnson. Johnson looks sharper when I've seen him recently and deserves a lot more game time IMO. As for the rest:

Oledski - individually there's room for improvement, but he would really benefit from a 30 something senior pack leader alongside him.
Holroyd - still young, but despite some promising shows early last season I don't think he's ready to be a first choice starting prop, and needs to build time coming off the bench.
Lisone - not a good value signing IMO. Doesn't spend long enough on the field, and his discipline is atrocious for a senior forward. Hopefully we can replace.
Sangare - a promising signing because of his size and age, but he needs to improve in terms of impact and go-forward to justify a new contract IMO.
Goudemand - solid enough but what does he add that the other backrow types can't already do? A weak signing IMO.
Bentley - has been missed for his defence and gritty attitude.
Martin - our best forward, but we might have to sacrifice him to bring in a pack leader from the NRL.
Gannon - also badly missed but I wouldn't want him to come back in until the current malaise has been addressed.
McDonnell - He's become a shadow of the player we saw last season. Probably needs a rest but his deficiencies have been exposed this season (lack of size / pace). We need better players than this to be in the first 13. Ultimately he's a younger version of Donaldson and should be used in a similar way from the interchange bench (not covering the front row though!)
Cam Smith - As big a concern as Newman, IMO. He's too small to be an international class 13 and too slow to get near the halves. Maybe taking him out of the firing line as captain would help his form? Give Croft or Martin (if he stays) the captaincy.

The quality isn't there - and until we can attract better players especially in the forwards these struggles will continue. Add to the lack of playing quality with an even worse coaching set up and we have what we see each week. No quality, no fluency, no ideas and no structure. You can't make donkey's into thoroughbreds.

Who would you retain?

HANDLEY
CROFT
ACKERS
OCONNER
OLEDSKI
MARTIN
BENTLEY
SINFIELD
MCDONELL
SMITH
WATTON
EDGELL
SIMPSON

That would mean getting rid of about 15 players from the squad?

It’s not viable and would set us back further

Handley
Newman but with a big boot up his backside
Edgell
Mik - another who needs to improve
Bentley
Johnson
O'Connor
Croft
Akers
Martin
Smith - but not as a ball playing 13
Holroyd - but needs to improve his fitness/stamina/explosiveness
3/4 youngsters TNW, Ruan, Simpson, Lumb

This isn't our problem players but we seem to have a problem with concussion with our players. Got an injury report from the Hull game and apparently we could be without Harry Newman, Ash Handley, Tom Holroyd & Sam Lisone for this week's game against Leigh, we'll see when tomorrow's 21 man squad is named.

Apparently all 4 players showed concussion symptoms after the game and will be stood down this week, it feels like Leeds as a club have a real strict procedure when it comes to concussion/ HIA this is probably due to the Stevie Ward saga and end of the day the players health comes first and the club will be extra precautious now. I'd imagine Tom Holroyd will probably miss majority of this season now due to his concussion reports this year wouldn't be surprised if he gets same treatment as Morgan Gannon and stood down til next season.

We do seem to have a stricter policy with head injuries compared to other clubs.

Newman
Handley
Ackers
Holroyd
Bentley
Lisone
Gannon

All out with HIA protocol all at the same time seems extreme but players welfare comes first.

To add insult to the injuries Leon Ruan is also injured got a hip injury playing in reserves at the weekend.

Im amazed Harry was allowed to come back on TBH he was taking a few pot shots throughout that game.

We are clearly being very cautious with Concussions, and as much as its frustrating to not have the players available their health has to come first and we need to make sure the whole squad is stronger to cope with these players being out.

I'd rather be cautious and lose a player for a few week than lose a player permanently as we did with Ward.

I hope and it does look like we learned from that debacle at least.

Do other clubs have the same issues on the same scale that we do? Perhaps they do. But if not, and I'm fully supportive of player safety, but if we're applying a stricter protocol, does that mean the other 11 clubs are putting their players in danger. I'd assume not, and that the protocols being applied by others are mitigating the risk to acceptable levels ( it will never be zero). In that case, we are placing ourselves at a disadvantage for no gain elsewhere, are we not?

I am a big Holroyd fan but he has been out of condition or form for a good while now, he can't seem to string a run together. Really disappointing season so far - not just the injuries but when he has played he has been a culprit of our error-a-thon.

There is still a very good player in there but for various reasons we're not seeing it.

Sangare - on the right money could be worth retaining as a squad prop. He is massive which has use. He gets terrible service sometimes (Cam Smith gives him the odd hospital pass). Also not really mobile enough to run his weight and be as damaging as we'd all like.

Newman is very athletic n but he isn't playing well, especially since his back injury and I wonder if he's carrying knocks.

I think generally the squad is in a bit of a funk, losing games can do that and the confidence has been affected. I think the solution is to sign a handful of higher quality players and probably change the coaching set up, but to do that we'd have to move a couple of players on early. Blease is going to have to be creative to get Leeds into a truly challenging position for 2025, but I don't believe the current squad is a title winning squad and we are all sick to death of Leeds being the laughing stock of SL after many years of this.

I think with Newman with a better coach and attacking structure, he can be much better. I think if you put Newman in a Wigan, Saints or Salford side, you would see a far better player.

You may be right re. Newman but the coach isn't making him drop the ball or try to beat the entire opposition on his own every time he gets the ball. Newman needs to learn how to play with his team mates better - maybe that's a coaching issue too but I think he's always been a bit of a glory boy. He just needs reining in a bit at times - he would look better running into space with some structure agreed.