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| Quote: Damo-Leeds "I’ve probably been our coach’s biggest critic over this season. But he’s done some good stuff and that is what I acknowledge in this week’s damobit - rl
Or we can just have a cake ball..'"....
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| Quote: BillyRhino "[ithis team has been in decline since 2006[/i....
Were you asleep in 2007/2008/2009?'"
What I was trying to get across is that yeah we’ve won the grand final. But our long seasons haven’t exactly been entertaining have they?
Leeds Rhinos were even playing mediocre under Brian McClennan against mediocre teams and still coming out on top. | | |
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The very title of this thread made me kick the nearest person in disgust.
Cut him slack for what?
Yes, we were in decline last year under Bluey. We were poor and looked a shadow of what we had seen before.
Brain though as taking us to new submarine-esq depths. Ok, so we have reached the CC Final, and in fairness we have beaten some handy teams along the way, but be under no illusions. It counts for nothing unless we beat Wigan who are easily the best team we will have faced in the competition.
Yes, we hammered a very very very very poor Cas team last week but that is scant consolation for the inept dross that we have had to watch for large chunks of the season.
It isn't all Brains fault, the players should always take their share of the blame. But, as in all sports these days, the buck stops at the coaches door.
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| Quote: Fallon "The very title of this thread made me kick the nearest person in disgust.
Cut him slack for what?
Yes, we were in decline last year under Bluey. We were poor and looked a shadow of what we had seen before.
Brain though as taking us to new submarine-esq depths. Ok, so we have reached the CC Final, and in fairness we have beaten some handy teams along the way, but be under no illusions. It counts for nothing unless we beat Wigan who are easily the best team we will have faced in the competition.
Yes, we hammered a very very very very poor Cas team last week but that is scant consolation for the inept dross that we have had to watch for large chunks of the season.
It isn't all Brains fault, the players should always take their share of the blame. But, as in all sports these days, the buck stops at the coaches door.'"
Let me get this straight - if Leeds win all their remaining three league games (entirely plausible, particularly given Huddersfield's fall into a giant hole), then they could well achieve exactly the same league placing as they did in 2010.
They've already reached the same stage of the Challenge Cup as they did in 2010, despite drawing SL opposition in every round.
This has been achieved despite starting the season with two of their best players on the injured list, and playing without either first choice centre for a large chunk of the campaign.
So how exactly have they "plumbed new depths"? Someone clearly doesn't recall some of the shocking performances McLennan's side turned in last year, particularly in the early part of the season. Home capitulations to Castleford and Hull KR, hidings at Saints and Wigan, the awful non-performance in the Challenge Cup Final and the final eliminator? | | |
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "Let me get this straight - if Leeds win all their remaining three league games (entirely plausible, particularly given Huddersfield's fall into a giant hole), then they could well achieve exactly the same league placing as they did in 2010.
They've already reached the same stage of the Challenge Cup as they did in 2010, despite drawing SL opposition in every round.
This has been achieved despite starting the season with two of their best players on the injured list, and playing without either first choice centre for a large chunk of the campaign.
So how exactly have they "plumbed new depths"? Someone clearly doesn't recall some of the shocking performances McLennan's side turned in last year, particularly in the early part of the season. Home capitulations to Castleford and Hull KR, hidings at Saints and Wigan, the awful non-performance in the Challenge Cup Final and the final eliminator?'"
Yes but McDermott isn't as cuddly as McClennan was. | | | |
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "Let me get this straight - if Leeds win all their remaining three league games (entirely plausible, particularly given Huddersfield's fall into a giant hole), then they could well achieve exactly the same league placing as they did in 2010.
They've already reached the same stage of the Challenge Cup as they did in 2010, despite drawing SL opposition in every round.
This has been achieved despite starting the season with two of their best players on the injured list, and playing without either first choice centre for a large chunk of the campaign.
So how exactly have they "plumbed new depths"? Someone clearly doesn't recall some of the shocking performances McLennan's side turned in last year, particularly in the early part of the season. Home capitulations to Castleford and Hull KR, hidings at Saints and Wigan, the awful non-performance in the Challenge Cup Final and the final eliminator?'"
The new depths they have plunged is the sheer ineptitude that has been witnessed this year. Yes, they were poor under Bluey last season, I do believe I said that in my original post, perhaps you glossed over that in an effort to make your point?
For some reason this season we have forgotten how to tackle, how to pass a ball, how to catch a ball. Brains idea of playing catchup rugby from two minutes into the game saw us throwing the ball about like it was the hottest of hot potatoes. Tactical genius?
As for the 'we had players injured, poor us'. I really dislike this argument. All teams have injuries. Its a squad game, and regardless of who is fit, they should be able to pass and catch a ball.
When your at a top club like Leeds its not just about league position, its about how you play to get to that point. Again, this is open to opinion but the expectation is that you play well and finish in a good position.
As I said, its not all Brains fault but the buck does stop with him. | | |
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "Let me get this straight - if Leeds win all their remaining three league games (entirely plausible, particularly given Huddersfield's fall into a giant hole), then they could well achieve exactly the same league placing as they did in 2010.
They've already reached the same stage of the Challenge Cup as they did in 2010, despite drawing SL opposition in every round.
This has been achieved despite starting the season with two of their best players on the injured list, and playing without either first choice centre for a large chunk of the campaign.
So how exactly have they "plumbed new depths"? Someone clearly doesn't recall some of the shocking performances McLennan's side turned in last year, particularly in the early part of the season. Home capitulations to Castleford and Hull KR, hidings at Saints and Wigan, the awful non-performance in the Challenge Cup Final and the final eliminator?'"
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The fact that we're likely to finish in a similar league position to last year is hardly testament to McDermott's coaching ability.
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yes we put in some awful displays under previous coaches but surely not in anyway like this year. strange team selections (to me anyway) young players not getting game time dispite putting in reasonable performances especially with the lack of form of our senior players. . Injury's are not an excuse other teams have them as well and thats even more frustating for not giving the youg guys a chance. Having said that, I think the team as turned the corner and could still produce a shock or two but lets see more flowing rugby and big hit ups like Friday
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "Let me get this straight - if Leeds win all their remaining three league games (entirely plausible, particularly given Huddersfield's fall into a giant hole), then they could well achieve exactly the same league placing as they did in 2010.
They've already reached the same stage of the Challenge Cup as they did in 2010, despite drawing SL opposition in every round.
This has been achieved despite starting the season with two of their best players on the injured list, and playing without either first choice centre for a large chunk of the campaign.
So how exactly have they "plumbed new depths"? Someone clearly doesn't recall some of the shocking performances McLennan's side turned in last year, particularly in the early part of the season. Home capitulations to Castleford and Hull KR, hidings at Saints and Wigan, the awful non-performance in the Challenge Cup Final and the final eliminator?'"
At least McClennan's side was able to beat all the top 4 clubs last season, something that McDermott has failed to do thus far (with ample opportunity). Not only have Leeds not beaten these sides this season, in the majority of games we have been soundly beaten. Like it or not, this lack of competitiveness is 'plumbing new depths', at least depths not seen since the Powell era if not earlier.
The games you mention were disappointing and things were clearly going stale last year, but the team was still capable of putting in performances against the top clubs when it mattered (CC final aside), even if these performances weren't quite upto the standards of the previous 3 seasons. Like it or not, Leeds were the last club in SL to beat Wigan in the CC and the play-offs, and both happened last season. OK, we didn't make the GF, but we did better in the play-offs than Warrington or arguably even Saints who simply made up the numbers at Old Trafford. I'd be surprised if McDermott can improve on this record for 2011. | | |
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Quote: Fallon "The new depths they have plunged is the sheer ineptitude that has been witnessed this year. Yes, they were poor under Bluey last season, I do believe I said that in my original post, perhaps you glossed over that in an effort to make your point?
For some reason this season we have forgotten how to tackle, how to pass a ball, how to catch a ball. Brains idea of playing catchup rugby from two minutes into the game saw us throwing the ball about like it was the hottest of hot potatoes. Tactical genius?
As for the 'we had players injured, poor us'. I really dislike this argument. All teams have injuries. Its a squad game, and regardless of who is fit, they should be able to pass and catch a ball.
When your at a top club like Leeds its not just about league position, its about how you play to get to that point. Again, this is open to opinion but the expectation is that you play well and finish in a good position.
As I said, its not all Brains fault but the buck does stop with him.'"
I understood your point quite clearly thanks - that we were poor last year yet this year have apparently been much, much worse. So much worse in fact, that we could well achieve pretty much the same result at the end of the season.
Clearly this malaise of being unable to catch, pass and tackle had already set in last year well before McDermott took the reins. From Round 16 of 2010 onwards Leeds conceded 20 points or more in consecutive SL games to Wakefield, Harlequins, Crusaders, Warrington, St Helens, Hull KR, Huddersfield, Salford and Wigan.
Given your assertion that it was McDermott's philosophy at the start of the year to play risky, expansive stuff, you might want to check the link below and consider what you would do if your new boss asked you to do something a particular way.
www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyl ... e-XVI.html
Professional sport is about winning. Ask any coach you like and they'll all tell you that their job is to produce results, not entertainment. On that front, McDermott is by no stretch of the imagination taking the club backwards from where McLennan left it.
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Quote: Fallon "The new depths they have plunged is the sheer ineptitude that has been witnessed this year. Yes, they were poor under Bluey last season, I do believe I said that in my original post, perhaps you glossed over that in an effort to make your point?
For some reason this season we have forgotten how to tackle, how to pass a ball, how to catch a ball. Brains idea of playing catchup rugby from two minutes into the game saw us throwing the ball about like it was the hottest of hot potatoes. Tactical genius?
As for the 'we had players injured, poor us'. I really dislike this argument. All teams have injuries. Its a squad game, and regardless of who is fit, they should be able to pass and catch a ball.
When your at a top club like Leeds its not just about league position, its about how you play to get to that point. Again, this is open to opinion but the expectation is that you play well and finish in a good position.
As I said, its not all Brains fault but the buck does stop with him.'"
I understood your point quite clearly thanks - that we were poor last year yet this year have apparently been much, much worse. So much worse in fact, that we could well achieve pretty much the same result at the end of the season.
Clearly this malaise of being unable to catch, pass and tackle had already set in last year well before McDermott took the reins. From Round 16 of 2010 onwards Leeds conceded 20 points or more in consecutive SL games to Wakefield, Harlequins, Crusaders, Warrington, St Helens, Hull KR, Huddersfield, Salford and Wigan.
Given your assertion that it was McDermott's philosophy at the start of the year to play risky, expansive stuff, you might want to check the link below and consider what you would do if your new boss asked you to do something a particular way.
www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyl ... e-XVI.html
Professional sport is about winning. Ask any coach you like and they'll all tell you that their job is to produce results, not entertainment. On that front, McDermott is by no stretch of the imagination taking the club backwards from where McLennan left it.
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| Quote: nantwichexile "McDermott groupie duly noted ![]()
Sheep mentality and inability to contribute anything meaningful to a debate duly noted.
Again.
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "Sheep mentality and inability to contribute anything meaningful to a debate duly noted.
Again.'"
Me .. A sheep ? Baaa humbug.
Tell me .. To seriously support McDermott's abilities as a coach you must be deliberately playing devil's advocate ? | | |
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I'd totally agree with Fallon's appraisal of our season so far. It has been pretty dire, with little of the flowing rugby we enjoyed in the main under our previous two coaches. Perhaps the players will decide amongst themselves which style will be on show for Wembley.
Gawd preserve us from the bean counters, who attempt to reduce our great game to a simple table of columns, before they pronounce judgement on whether the season has been a success or not.
As a spectacle, our game is much more than that.
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