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| If the club were negligent then they deserve all they get, if they followed protocol then it seems off from Ward.
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| I`ve mixed thoughts on this matter.
One I feel sorry for all the players that have suffered in the way Ward has suffered.
On the other hand players of all ages go into the game knowing there`s a risk of a head injury or a severe break to bones, muscles etc.
That`s the risk players know and take and some are lucky and some are not.
If at the time Leeds Rhinos followed the guidelines be it a one week break or a 2 week break before letting him play after his first concussion.
Then I am not sure what case Leeds have to answer.
Looking at the dates he played the 2 games and if I recall players could not play for 7 days then it looks like Leeds followed protocol.
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| It’s all a nightmare this and very sad.
I see Leeds are counter suing a doctor.
I see Bobbie Goulding is part of the mass action, I wonder how many concussions he was responsible for ?
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| And people wonder why the game is on its ar$e.
Another jumping on the bandwagon
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| The fact that Leeds are countersuing a doctor suggests that maybe protocols weren't followed in Ward's case, and they are blaming the doctor for that. Ward's issues and symptoms are thankfully very rare, but they do show why clubs need to take the protocols and medical advice very seriously - as Leeds appear to be doing in Morgan Gannon's case for example.
Ward's case is very different to the class action. He's claiming breach of protocols put in place to protect players from a known risk.
Goulding and co are claiming long-term damage from playing the sport which they should have been protected from, with symptoms not emerging in some cases for decades after they stopped playing.
In the case of anyone from the 80s and 90s and probably as late as 2010ish, they are arguing that RU and RL should have known better and done more, which I personally don't think should be a winnable case in court, tragic as their later issues are. But regardless of what any of us think, the class action for RU players is going to be heard soon and will tell us if either sport has a future.
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| I just still can’t fathom how MMA or boxing can continue if Rugby is such an issue.
Probably because they can’t sue the governing body and they don’t have an employer to aim at.
I’m just not a fan of hindsight. Of course no RL wants to see lads suffering like this. The vast majority don’t. It’s right that the protocols are now in place and more research is needed. It is an inherently risky sport.
It’s sad that Ward is pursuing this but the law will determine.
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| Quote: KaeruJim "I just still can’t fathom how MMA or boxing can continue if Rugby is such an issue.
Probably because they can’t sue the governing body and they don’t have an employer to aim at.
I’m just not a fan of hindsight. Of course no RL wants to see lads suffering like this. The vast majority don’t. It’s right that the protocols are now in place and more research is needed. It is an inherently risky sport.
It’s sad that Ward is pursuing this but the law will determine.'"
If he has a case he has a case. Few MMA or boxers would fight again two weeks after a concussion. I think his call is genuine. The club might not be at fault but not many of us have this issue from work. If we did we'd probably try and claim some compensation.
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| What I can't understand is why he wasn't able to get an insurance pay out. If the club are not insuring the players and just paying on a need basis that is not how an elite sporting club should care for its employees.
Ward has stated on numerous occasions that he has had to fund his after care - if that is the case that is poor on the club's part.
Leeds is a very well run club - this seems an odd position for it to get itself into.
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| So so sad. Should never had got to this stage. Surely the club should have looked after Stevie better than this? £200k is nothing for life changing injuries..
He Shouldn’t be having to fight for financial package…..
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| Quote: Shabino "So so sad. Should never had got to this stage. Surely the club should have looked after Stevie better than this? £200k is nothing for life changing injuries..
He Shouldn’t be having to fight for financial package…..'"
At this stage we don't know what the club did or did not do. Nothing has been proven. What I do know is that the club showed a tremendous amount of patience with Stevie during his many absences through injury. He definitely would not have got such sympathetic treatment at a number of other top clubs. They also did the same for Dom Crosby when the temptation must have been to find away to "get rid." Despite the on field slump of recent years I don't think you'd find another club in SL that looks after and remembers it's players better than Leeds.
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| Quote: Zoo Zoo Boom "What I can't understand is why he wasn't able to get an insurance pay out. If the club are not insuring the players and just paying on a need basis that is not how an elite sporting club should care for its employees.
Ward has stated on numerous occasions that he has had to fund his after care - if that is the case that is poor on the club's part.
Leeds is a very well run club - this seems an odd position for it to get itself into.'"
Maybe the insurer didn't pay out. Leeds counter suing their medics might point that way.
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| Commercially we need to view this realistically: the club simply cannot afford to be paying out these kind of damages to ex-players. Some of you supporting this action must actually want to see the club fold, it baffles me. There is this strange "us and them" attitude among some fans which treats the leadership team at Leeds like the enemy, it's weird.
Leeds is generally a well-run club which treats most players impeccably most of the time.
It's also weird that some ex-players want to strike back at the sport which made them - you play contact sport, there are risks. The risk is yours to bear as a player, and the club's responsibility is to look after you reasonably and follow the science and protocol around health and wellbeing. Ward himself has pushed to play through injury (shoulder in the GF for example), and was a tough man. Maybe too tough to his own detriment at times.
This is a really sad situation and I rated Ward very highly as a player. But we did stand by him for ages while his concussion issues played out. Like we pay lots of other players who cannot actually play for various reasons, and stand by them and pay for their treatment and recovery.
Sorry I'm just not a fan of litigation in this area at all, I hope the class actions are thrown out in RU and RL. I just don't believe that the people running either code of rugby, or its clubs, are intentionally harming players through negligence. If we go much further down this road you'll have nothing to complain about at all because rugby won't be a viable sport any more. It's bad enough as it is with some silly over-reacting rule changes, which I don't feel effectively reduce injury risk but do spoil the entertainment and spectacle.
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| Quote: KaeruJim "Commercially we need to view this realisticallywhich I don't feel effectively reduce injury risk but do spoil the entertainment and spectacle.'"
It's actually worse than this. For example, the proposed armpit tackle height rule will very likely increase head injuries due to the inevitable position of the tacklers head in relation to the ball carriers elbow/forearm/hip.
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| given nobody knows the facts nobody should should be pointing fingers at the club, player even other posters.
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