FORUMS FORUMS



  
FORUMS > Leeds Rhinos > Cas 2017 vs Leeds 2004
52 posts in 4 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
RankPostsTeam
International Star1439No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 201410 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Apr 2019Feb 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



The only two teams to get past 50 SL points in a season, but who is better?

Cas will win by a bigger margin than we did and could get even more than 50 with their game tommorow

But Leeds 2004 lost less games than Cas, had a better points difference and arguably played in a year with higher standard opposition.

Obviously bias but I still thing that young Leeds team was better (and better to watch)

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach2088No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 200718 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: leedsnsouths "The only two teams to get past 50 SL points in a season, but who is better?

Cas will win by a bigger margin than we did and could get even more than 50 with their game tommorow

But Leeds 2004 lost less games than Cas, had a better points difference and arguably played in a year with higher standard opposition.

Obviously bias but I still thing that young Leeds team was better (and better to watch)'"


We'd put at least 60 on them, as we would every other team currently in SL. If you think cas would have any hope then you weren't watching

RankPostsTeam
International Star6848No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 201212 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Jul 2021LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Les Norton "We'd put at least 60 on them, as we would every other team currently in SL. If you think cas would have any hope then you weren't watching'"


Correct, maybe not that easy but it wouldnt be close. our 2007-2009 team would do the same in a big game.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach3813No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200816 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2020Feb 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



The Leeds, Bradford, Wigan, Saints, and possibly Hull sides of 2004 would beat this year's Cas side, despite them being easily the best team in the league this year.

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain2216No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 20178 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Apr 2018Apr 2018LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: leedsnsouths "But Leeds 2004 lost less games than Cas, had a better points difference and arguably played in a year with higher standard opposition.'"


And the 2004 season was only 28 games compared to 30.

Him
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member14970No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2021Nov 2021LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



All the 2004 teams would get beaten relatively easily by Cas this year in my opinion.

Leeds were fantastic to watch and relative to the time I'd say they were better than Cas are now, but you can't ignore how the game has progressed since then. It's significantly more intense now and the 2004 teams would get hammered by both the control of the play the ball and the amount and consistency of good decisions needed in defence to stop the modern attacking plays.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach22777
JoinedServiceReputation
May 200619 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jun 2020Feb 2018LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: craigizzard "The Leeds, Bradford, Wigan, Saints, and possibly Hull sides of 2004 would beat this year's Cas side, despite them being easily the best team in the league this year.'"

The 2004 sides would win without breaking a sweat.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach10530
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jun 2020Jun 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Mathern
Calderwood
Walker
Senior
Bai
McGuire
Burrow
Ward
Diskin
McDonald
Furner
McKenna
Sinfield

Ali
McDermott
Poching
JJB

Vs

Hardaker
Minikin
Webster
Shenton
Eden
Roberts
Gale
Millington
McShane
Lynch
McMeekan
JSL
Milner

Moors
Cook
Springer
Massey

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach3813No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200816 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2020Feb 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Him "All the 2004 teams would get beaten relatively easily by Cas this year in my opinion.

Leeds were fantastic to watch and relative to the time I'd say they were better than Cas are now, but you can't ignore how the game has progressed since then. It's significantly more intense now and the 2004 teams would get hammered by both the control of the play the ball and the amount and consistency of good decisions needed in defence to stop the modern attacking plays.'"


B#llocks. There's no player in that Cas side close to Farrell, Newton, Sculthorpe,Cunningham, Long, Lauititi, Senior, Sinfield, McGuire (2004), Harris, Vainakolo, Hape, Fielden and a load more.

Fact of the matter is that if they'd have been coming up a decade later with the real-terms cut salary cap and the improvement of competitor competitions 90% of them would have gone to the NRL or started off in Union without even touching League.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach10530
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jun 2020Jun 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



There were some stars in the competition back then, no doubt. However, the standard outside the top 4 was horrendous.

RankPostsTeam
International Star6848No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 201212 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Jul 2021LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Charlie Sheen "Mathern
Calderwood
Walker
Senior
Bai
McGuire
Burrow
Ward
Diskin
McDonald
Furner
McKenna
Sinfield

Ali
McDermott
Poching
JJB

Vs

Hardaker
Minikin
Webster
Shenton
Eden
Roberts
Gale
Millington
McShane
Lynch
McMeekan
JSL
Milner

Moors
Cook
Springer
Massey'"


Surely Bailey over McDonald in 2004. Bailey was probably at his best for us in his early days too, gaining GB caps around that time.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach10530
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jun 2020Jun 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Biff Tannen "Surely Bailey over McDonald in 2004. Bailey was probably at his best for us in his early days too, gaining GB caps around that time.'"


You're right, although I think Bailey got his GB caps in 2003.
I remember McDonald being superb in 2004 also. A case could be made that our props now, are better than in 2004. On paper at least

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member17230No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Anybody who thinks there is a team around now who could compete with the mid 2000's teams are seriously on something dangerous.

RankPostsTeam
International Star6848No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 201212 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Jul 2021LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Charlie Sheen "You're right, although I think Bailey got his GB caps in 2003.
I remember McDonald being superb in 2004 also. A case could be made that our props now, are better than in 2004. On paper at least'"


Bailey got his GB caps in the 2004 tri nations after our GF win.

I would say it would be a split for me regards props from then and now. I would take Bailey and Mcdermott from the 2004 team and Cuthbertson and Garbutt from now. Prop wasn't our strongest area back then though.

RankPostsTeam
International Star6848No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 201212 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Jul 2021LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Gotcha "Anybody who thinks there is a team around now who could compete with the mid 2000's teams are seriously on something dangerous.'"


The Saints, Bradford, Leeds and even Wigan and Hull teams who won little were very strong from 2003-2007, even though i think this Cas team could compete at times it wouldn't get a sniff at silverware.

All opinions of course. Cas can only beat what is in front of them right now though, and so far they have run away with the league playing top notch rugby and you can't do much more than that.

52 posts in 4 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
52 posts in 4 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


9.71142578125:10
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
3m
Pre Season - 2025
Hullrealist
191
6m
How many games will we win
Shifty Cat
40
12m
Film game
Boss Hog
5750
25m
Ground Improvements
Khlav Kalash
192
26m
Rumours and signings v9
apollosghost
28901
35m
Salford placed in special measures
PopTart
110
37m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
BP1
4046
45m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40800
Recent
Salary Cap Changes Blocked - 11 votes to 1
SFW
7
Recent
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63266
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
35s
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40800
40s
Transfer Talk V5
Jack Burton
508
42s
Shopping list for 2025
Hullrealist
5587
57s
2025 Recruitment
Rattler13
204
1m
Spirit of the Rhinos
batleyrhino
5
1m
Fixtures 2025
paulwalker71
8
1m
New Kit
matt_wire
69
3m
Salford
Wires71
53
7m
Planning for next season
Bent&Bon
184
8m
Castleford sack Lingard
Another Cas
16
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
2025 Fixtures
Jemmo
1
TODAY
2025 Squad
Sadfish
1
TODAY
Salary Cap Changes Blocked - 11 votes to 1
SFW
7
TODAY
Fixtures 2025
paulwalker71
8
TODAY
Spirit of the Rhinos
batleyrhino
5
TODAY
Mike Ogunwole
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Bailey Dawson
Wanderer
1
TODAY
2024
REDWHITEANDB
14
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
Shifty Cat
40
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
Bent&Bon
6
TODAY
Catalan Away
Dannyboywt1
6
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
Wires71
53
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.65M +11,952 80,15614,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
 Thu 13th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
20:00
Wigan
v
Leigh
 Fri 14th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
20:00
Hull KR
v
Castleford
20:00
Catalans
v
Hull FC
 Sat 15th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
15:00
Leeds
v
Wakefield
17:30
St.Helens
v
Salford
 Sun 16th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Warrington
 Thu 20th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
20:00
Wakefield
v
Hull KR
 Fri 21st Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
20:00
Warrington
v
Catalans
20:00
Hull FC
v
Wigan
 Sat 22nd Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
15:00
Salford
v
Leeds
20:00
Castleford
v
St.Helens
 Sun 23rd Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
14:30
Leigh
v
Huddersfield
 Sun 2nd Mar 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R1
04:30
Penrith
v
Cronulla
06:30
Canberra
v
NZ Warriors
 Thu 6th Mar 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R1
09:00
Sydney
v
Brisbane
     Mens Super League XXX-R3
20:00
Hull FC
v
Leigh
 Fri 7th Mar 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R1
07:00
Wests
v
Newcastle
09:00
Dolphins
v
Souths
     Mens Super League XXX-R3
20:00
Castleford
v
Salford
20:00
St.Helens
v
Hull KR
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington-Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
3m
Pre Season - 2025
Hullrealist
191
6m
How many games will we win
Shifty Cat
40
12m
Film game
Boss Hog
5750
25m
Ground Improvements
Khlav Kalash
192
26m
Rumours and signings v9
apollosghost
28901
35m
Salford placed in special measures
PopTart
110
37m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
BP1
4046
45m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40800
Recent
Salary Cap Changes Blocked - 11 votes to 1
SFW
7
Recent
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63266
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
35s
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40800
40s
Transfer Talk V5
Jack Burton
508
42s
Shopping list for 2025
Hullrealist
5587
57s
2025 Recruitment
Rattler13
204
1m
Spirit of the Rhinos
batleyrhino
5
1m
Fixtures 2025
paulwalker71
8
1m
New Kit
matt_wire
69
3m
Salford
Wires71
53
7m
Planning for next season
Bent&Bon
184
8m
Castleford sack Lingard
Another Cas
16
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
2025 Fixtures
Jemmo
1
TODAY
2025 Squad
Sadfish
1
TODAY
Salary Cap Changes Blocked - 11 votes to 1
SFW
7
TODAY
Fixtures 2025
paulwalker71
8
TODAY
Spirit of the Rhinos
batleyrhino
5
TODAY
Mike Ogunwole
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Bailey Dawson
Wanderer
1
TODAY
2024
REDWHITEANDB
14
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
Shifty Cat
40
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
Bent&Bon
6
TODAY
Catalan Away
Dannyboywt1
6
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
Wires71
53
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!