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| The only two teams to get past 50 SL points in a season, but who is better?
Cas will win by a bigger margin than we did and could get even more than 50 with their game tommorow
But Leeds 2004 lost less games than Cas, had a better points difference and arguably played in a year with higher standard opposition.
Obviously bias but I still thing that young Leeds team was better (and better to watch)
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| Quote: leedsnsouths "The only two teams to get past 50 SL points in a season, but who is better?
Cas will win by a bigger margin than we did and could get even more than 50 with their game tommorow
But Leeds 2004 lost less games than Cas, had a better points difference and arguably played in a year with higher standard opposition.
Obviously bias but I still thing that young Leeds team was better (and better to watch)'"
We'd put at least 60 on them, as we would every other team currently in SL. If you think cas would have any hope then you weren't watching
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| Quote: Les Norton "We'd put at least 60 on them, as we would every other team currently in SL. If you think cas would have any hope then you weren't watching'"
Correct, maybe not that easy but it wouldnt be close. our 2007-2009 team would do the same in a big game.
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| The Leeds, Bradford, Wigan, Saints, and possibly Hull sides of 2004 would beat this year's Cas side, despite them being easily the best team in the league this year.
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| Quote: leedsnsouths "But Leeds 2004 lost less games than Cas, had a better points difference and arguably played in a year with higher standard opposition.'"
And the 2004 season was only 28 games compared to 30.
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| All the 2004 teams would get beaten relatively easily by Cas this year in my opinion.
Leeds were fantastic to watch and relative to the time I'd say they were better than Cas are now, but you can't ignore how the game has progressed since then. It's significantly more intense now and the 2004 teams would get hammered by both the control of the play the ball and the amount and consistency of good decisions needed in defence to stop the modern attacking plays.
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| Quote: craigizzard "The Leeds, Bradford, Wigan, Saints, and possibly Hull sides of 2004 would beat this year's Cas side, despite them being easily the best team in the league this year.'"
The 2004 sides would win without breaking a sweat.
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| Quote: Him "All the 2004 teams would get beaten relatively easily by Cas this year in my opinion.
Leeds were fantastic to watch and relative to the time I'd say they were better than Cas are now, but you can't ignore how the game has progressed since then. It's significantly more intense now and the 2004 teams would get hammered by both the control of the play the ball and the amount and consistency of good decisions needed in defence to stop the modern attacking plays.'"
B#llocks. There's no player in that Cas side close to Farrell, Newton, Sculthorpe,Cunningham, Long, Lauititi, Senior, Sinfield, McGuire (2004), Harris, Vainakolo, Hape, Fielden and a load more.
Fact of the matter is that if they'd have been coming up a decade later with the real-terms cut salary cap and the improvement of competitor competitions 90% of them would have gone to the NRL or started off in Union without even touching League.
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| There were some stars in the competition back then, no doubt. However, the standard outside the top 4 was horrendous.
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| Quote: Charlie Sheen "Mathern
Calderwood
Walker
Senior
Bai
McGuire
Burrow
Ward
Diskin
McDonald
Furner
McKenna
Sinfield
Ali
McDermott
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Hardaker
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Webster
Shenton
Eden
Roberts
Gale
Millington
McShane
Lynch
McMeekan
JSL
Milner
Moors
Cook
Springer
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Surely Bailey over McDonald in 2004. Bailey was probably at his best for us in his early days too, gaining GB caps around that time.
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| Quote: Biff Tannen "Surely Bailey over McDonald in 2004. Bailey was probably at his best for us in his early days too, gaining GB caps around that time.'"
You're right, although I think Bailey got his GB caps in 2003.
I remember McDonald being superb in 2004 also. A case could be made that our props now, are better than in 2004. On paper at least
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| Anybody who thinks there is a team around now who could compete with the mid 2000's teams are seriously on something dangerous.
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| Quote: Charlie Sheen "You're right, although I think Bailey got his GB caps in 2003.
I remember McDonald being superb in 2004 also. A case could be made that our props now, are better than in 2004. On paper at least'"
Bailey got his GB caps in the 2004 tri nations after our GF win.
I would say it would be a split for me regards props from then and now. I would take Bailey and Mcdermott from the 2004 team and Cuthbertson and Garbutt from now. Prop wasn't our strongest area back then though.
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| Quote: Gotcha "Anybody who thinks there is a team around now who could compete with the mid 2000's teams are seriously on something dangerous.'"
The Saints, Bradford, Leeds and even Wigan and Hull teams who won little were very strong from 2003-2007, even though i think this Cas team could compete at times it wouldn't get a sniff at silverware.
All opinions of course. Cas can only beat what is in front of them right now though, and so far they have run away with the league playing top notch rugby and you can't do much more than that.
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