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| How many times did he actually hook last night?
By that I mean pack down @ hooker , would be a stretch for him to win any ball put into the front row and not the second.
Attacking scrums he seemed to be @ loose forward and sinfield at scrum half.
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| Yet another excuse for Burrow to believe it's him against the world, and ignore his team mates. Poor tactic for me, and Wire had it well marshalled and predicted it.
We are more and more going away from a passing team, to just looking for excuses for Burrow to run. How in this world the club announced him MOM last night I just don't know. One useful run all night out of about 40, and he gets MOM. He must have been embarrassed at that announcement.
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| Why would Burrow need any kind of excuse??
He played well last night so what did he do wrong to get such scathing comments?
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| Quote: Gotcha "Yet another excuse for Burrow to believe it's him against the world, and ignore his team mates. Poor tactic for me, and Wire had it well marshalled and predicted it.
We are more and more going away from a passing team, to just looking for excuses for Burrow to run. How in this world the club announced him MOM last night I just don't know. One useful run all night out of about 40, and he gets MOM. He must have been embarrassed at that announcement.'"
The hell?
Burrow is best when he runs at the defence. That's when he's most dangerous. That's when we look most dangerous.
Any system which allows burrow to do that as much as possible, without sacrificing structure is a good one.
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| Quote: doc-rhino "Attacking scrums he seemed to be @ loose forward and sinfield at scrum half.'"
The use of Burrow at loose forward on Leeds' scrum-feed was a bit of a departure from the norm (although it was used at least once at Castleford last week - where he produced a shocking ball that Hall rescued) as it would more usually be Ablett there but Sinfield I think was tasked in the normal manner.
All scrums that are set on the right hand side of the field (from a Leeds point of view) are fed by Sinfield while similarly all scrums on the left hand side are fed by McGuire. This is the case whenever Leeds have the feed, irrespective of whether the scrum is twenty metres from the opponents line or twenty metres from their own. Similarly they do likewise on defensive scrums to basically keep them in the right areas for the defensive set to follow.
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| Quote: rhinoms "Why would Burrow need any kind of excuse??
He played well last night so what did he do wrong to get such scathing comments?'"
I said the tactics for an excuse.
He didn't play well at all IMO. He played for himself and was successful once out of about 40 attempts, resulting in Watkins try. We were lucky to win last night and the hooking position should have been changed when we went 12-0 up.
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| Disagree. A passing game's fine so long as we're going forward. Most teams achieve that through the graft of the forwards - we have the luxury of Burrow or McGuire by way of an alternative method of gaining the necessary momentum to make our passing effective. In fact last night I'd say that Wire's forwards and passing game were roughly equal to our own. What they didn't have was the type of threat that Burrow poses.
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| I agree with Gotcha, was Burrow playing for himself or the team?
He made very little head way - no wonder Warrington knew exactly what he was going to do - as a tactic it should be used sparingly not instead of hard graft from the forwards.
Hookers should be spotting the areas of weakness in the defensive line and passing it that way not running into one of the two markers.
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| Burrow always plays for the team imo but I agree the tactic was overused last night. Running from dummy half or the base of the scrum should be done now and again or if a gap is spotted. He seemed to run at least once in every set last night. Burrow was tackled more times in possesion last night than any other game I can think off.
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| At times last night I thought we could've done with McShane's distribution from the ptb last night. I'm not sticking the boot into Hood but watching him and McShane passing between each other in the warm at Cas McShane's passing was much sharper. Hood is clearly highly rated by the coaching staff and has shown his enthusiasm and eye for the line. Didn't think Burrow's running was as effective last night, thought he got caught by the markers when a pass was more appropriate, however he was a threat and proved that with his break.
All in all, didn't think he was MOM but didn't think he was bad as some on here are saying. Some people just love to moan. The coaching staff clearly think this is the way to go and the results thus far have been good, I reckon they're in a better position to choose the team and how they play better than I.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "I agree with Gotcha, was Burrow playing for himself or the team?'"
That's a strange question to ask.
Is he only playing for the team when he successfully makes the break? And if he fails he's playing for himself? FWIW I thought Wire read him well last night but I'd say he was playing for the team.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "I agree with Gotcha, '"
Course you do
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| I am certain that our coaching staff still don't know which is our strongest team,
Position wise that is.
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| Burrow seemed to do a lot of running around in circles, like a leaping gazelle that buzzing its tits off. Only to get tackled a metre further forward from where he started
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