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| 2 Teams over a 3 Match Origin Series.
Team 1
Yorkshire
Nickname "The Whites"
Made up of 24 Players who were Born in Yorkshire
Team 2
Lancashire
Nickname "The Reds"
Made up of 24 Players who were Born in Lancashire
NOT A NEW CONCEPT BUT SOMETHING WE SHOULD GO BACK TO
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| Why? Seriously, what will having one bunch of ordinary players playing against another bunch of ordinary players three times a season do to improve either the individuals or the game as a whole?
When do you suggest playing these three games, in a season that already runs from the last weekend in January to the middle of November?
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| in oz the origin is where they first played I believe not where born (example Tony Carroll) if you limit it to where born a lot of lads born outside of the two counties miss out and for lancashire that includes St helens, wigan, salford and widnes. so I think prehaps a dide based on the pennines. But it will always be difficult this is not australia which has clearly defined states.
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| Quote: roo "in oz the origin is where they first played I believe not where born (example Tony Carroll) if you limit it to where born a lot of lads born outside of the two counties miss out and for lancashire that includes St helens, wigan, salford and widnes. so I think prehaps a dide based on the pennines. But it will always be difficult this is not australia which has clearly defined states.'"
East vs West? We get London, they get Cumbria, Wales and Cheshire. Job done.
Now we've resolved that, we can move on to the more simple problems of how to fit it into an over-full calendar and how to convince players and fans that it is a big enough deal to make it a real benefit in preparing the players for test matches.
If you could do that, it'd be better than one-sided games against France or Wales, or pointless exhibitions like the Exiles game.
Unfortunately, it's hard to see how you would accomplish either of those things.
In Oz, SOO takes up 3 weeks. But they don't have to fit the Challenge Cup into that time.
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "Why? Seriously, what will having one bunch of ordinary players playing against another bunch of ordinary players three times a season do to improve either the individuals or the game as a whole?
When do you suggest playing these three games, in a season that already runs from the last weekend in January to the middle of November?'"
Because I think the Elite Players within our Comp need more opportunities to Play together.
County Based Sponsors can be brought in to supply more Funding to perhaps add to the Players Salaries outside the Salary Cap to stop Players like Sam Burgress, James Graham and Gareth Ellis leaving the Comp.
Plus it's a good testing ground to blood Young British Players together before International Call Ups.
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| Quote: El Diablo "East vs West? We get London, they get Cumbria, Wales and Cheshire. Job done.
Now we've resolved that, we can move on to the more simple problems of how to fit it into an over-full calendar and how to convince players and fans that it is a big enough deal to make it a real benefit in preparing the players for test matches.
If you could do that, it'd be better than one-sided games against France or Wales, or pointless exhibitions like the Exiles game.
Unfortunately, it's hard to see how you would accomplish either of those things.
In Oz, SOO takes up 3 weeks. But they don't have to fit the Challenge Cup into that time.'"
Super League needs an Enerma!
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| Reducing the number of teams in Super League would do so much more for our international prospects than any form of 'Origin' series.
I don't believe that SOO is the difference between Australia and England. The difference is that the NRL isn't diluted by clubs that simply can't compete to the required level. The number of 50+ blow-outs that we have in this league is ridiculous.
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| Quote: bramleyrhino "Reducing the number of teams in Super League would do so much more for our international prospects than any form of 'Origin' series.
I don't believe that SOO is the difference between Australia and England. The difference is that the NRL isn't diluted by clubs that simply can't compete to the required level. The number of 50+ blow-outs that we have in this league is ridiculous.'"
We were crap before we went to 14 teams. I think in the long term a 14 team league will generate a bigger group of players, but it will take a while.
Again, playing friendlies against France / Wales may not be that competitive, but those countries need to be exposed to the top levels of the game in order to improve.
Wales did much better than I'd expected in the 4 nations, and I'd hope that would have a knock on effect in interest in the game. Shame the crusaders have effectively sunk off the radar.
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| It's alright, feel free to have your little inclusive redneck jamboree, we didn't want to play anyway!
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "Why? Seriously, what will having one bunch of ordinary players playing against another bunch of ordinary players three times a season do to improve either the individuals or the game as a whole?
When do you suggest playing these three games, in a season that already runs from the last weekend in January to the middle of November?'"
I have to agree with this.
There just is not the pool of talent to have any merit in playing more games. Whatever the circumstances GB/England/whatever will still depend on a very limited core of 'elite' players genuinely worthy of competing against the Aussies. The extra matches will just burn them out that much sooner.
Until the pool of talented players increases (will it ever considering not many kids have RL as a priority ambition when up against football ?) the SL [ishould [/iface facts and reduce the number of clubs....one sided hammerings should be eliminated as no good for anybody. It makes a mockery of the game.
Money and partisan supporters will always dictate otherwise however.
RL unfortunately is a minority sport in this country and I don't see that changing, despite the persistent ultimately embarrassing failed attempts to change that.
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| Quote: West Cumbrian Rhino "It's alright, feel free to have your little inclusive redneck jamboree, we didn't want to play anyway!'"
Don't worry, you're in my East v West idea.
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| Quote: El Diablo "East vs West? We get London, they get Cumbria, Wales and Cheshire. Job done.
Now we've resolved that, we can move on to the more simple problems of how to fit it into an over-full calendar and how to convince players and fans that it is a big enough deal to make it a real benefit in preparing the players for test matches.
If you could do that, it'd be better than one-sided games against France or Wales, or pointless exhibitions like the Exiles game.
Unfortunately, it's hard to see how you would accomplish either of those things.
In Oz, SOO takes up 3 weeks. But they don't have to fit the Challenge Cup into that time.'"
Do you seriously seeing anybody identifying themselves with being either "East" or "West" ...and being passionate enough to bother turning up for games ?
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| Quote: nantwichexile "Do you seriously seeing anybody identifying themselves with being either "East" or "West" ...and being passionate enough to bother turning up for games ?
No. As stated above, I don't see anyone getting passionate about the games and turning up in huge numbers whatever geographical demarcation you use.
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| Everyone looks back as thinks the County Championship was great - problem was no one thought it was good enough to attend - crowds were terrible why recreate a failed concept.
If we really want to beat the Aussies we have to develop young players and maybe the RFL has to pay for a top coach at each SL club at academy level. IMO these coaches are more important than the head coaches - the Aussies beat us because they do the basics without thinking they are so ingrained.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Everyone looks back as thinks the County Championship was great - problem was no one thought it was good enough to attend - crowds were terrible why recreate a failed concept.
If we really want to beat the Aussies we have to develop young players and maybe the RFL has to pay for a top coach at each SL club at academy level. IMO these coaches are more important than the head coaches - the Aussies beat us because they do the basics without thinking they are so ingrained.'"
I think you're right in that more money/better coaching needs to go in at academy level, however I think the bigger problem is before academy age in the amateur game. Sadly young kids simply aren't being taught and encouraged to use passing and handling skills properly in the amateur game. So when they get to academy level the academy coaches are having to try and teach them the basics and the more advanced stuff which they should be doing, and there simply isn't time for both.
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