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| With the current depressing state of playing affairs, thought I'd try and generate some hope. I hear sky of people on here saying we need patience and a new set of very special players are coming through.
I have to say I've not seen any of the young players loom that special, and our young fullback is perhaps not as good as we were hoping either.
Is this hope on the youngsters rise tinted, or are we genuinely looking at some players who will be world class?
Also out of interest, what would our team look like if some of these players were thrown in now with let's say,
Walker, ward, Ava, Prior, Gale, Leeming, Martin retaining a place?
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| Weve played 1 game.
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| To me we appear to be going through a very similar period as Wigan did when their legends moved on. It took them several years and a lot of stress and poor to average performances to work their way back up. I think it’ll take us just as long, if not longer as the league is more competitive than back then too.
I think we have a lot of promising young players, but at the moment they’re nothing more than that. That’s not a criticism, just we as fans often get far too carried away with a few decent academy performances and then expect miracles from them in the first team.
Walker for instance. Clearly a potential top player but has limitations to his game at the moment. Was at least partially at fault for one of Hull’s tries. Again, I’m not overly criticising him, just pointing out that we treat him like an established pro even though he’s what? 19? In the NRL he’d likely be playing a couple of years in their feeder clubs before graduating to the first team at an older age. We expect a fully formed full back at a younger age.
For me we have to readjust our expectations for a few years and realise we’re a mid table team. If we’re comfortably avoiding the relegation battle this year then that’s an improvement on last. Then we should look to maintain mid-table or bottom end of playoffs. Get a couple of seasons of playoffs and then look to move up to top 2/3.
We’re talking 5 years plus in my opinion and the threat of relegation should not be underestimated when people bemoan some of our recent signings etc
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| It was disappointing on Sunday but yes,it’s one game and it’s not how you start a season it’s the finish that counts?
Grasping at straws ?lol
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| Quote: Him "To me we appear to be going through a very similar period as Wigan did when their legends moved on. It took them several years and a lot of stress and poor to average performances to work their way back up. I think it’ll take us just as long, if not longer as the league is more competitive than back then too.
I think we have a lot of promising young players, but at the moment they’re nothing more than that. That’s not a criticism, just we as fans often get far too carried away with a few decent academy performances and then expect miracles from them in the first team.
Walker for instance. Clearly a potential top player but has limitations to his game at the moment. Was at least partially at fault for one of Hull’s tries. Again, I’m not overly criticising him, just pointing out that we treat him like an established pro even though he’s what? 19? In the NRL he’d likely be playing a couple of years in their feeder clubs before graduating to the first team at an older age. We expect a fully formed full back at a younger age.
For me we have to readjust our expectations for a few years and realise we’re a mid table team. If we’re comfortably avoiding the relegation battle this year then that’s an improvement on last. Then we should look to maintain mid-table or bottom end of playoffs. Get a couple of seasons of playoffs and then look to move up to top 2/3.
We’re talking 5 years plus in my opinion and the threat of relegation should not be underestimated when people bemoan some of our recent signings etc'"
Wow, great post. Given me some much needed perspective!
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| When too many senior players are average, a youngster has to be mega special to make any impact. Any less and they become a project which at times will prove to be a liability.
Tricky business, balancing a squad. If you can't sign players of the right quality in the positions you need them most you're often looking at 2 or more years before you get another proper stab at it.
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| Quote: Him "To me we appear to be going through a very similar period as Wigan did when their legends moved on. It took them several years and a lot of stress and poor to average performances to work their way back up. I think it’ll take us just as long, if not longer as the league is more competitive than back then too.
I think we have a lot of promising young players, but at the moment they’re nothing more than that. That’s not a criticism, just we as fans often get far too carried away with a few decent academy performances and then expect miracles from them in the first team.
Walker for instance. Clearly a potential top player but has limitations to his game at the moment. Was at least partially at fault for one of Hull’s tries. Again, I’m not overly criticising him, just pointing out that we treat him like an established pro even though he’s what? 19? In the NRL he’d likely be playing a couple of years in their feeder clubs before graduating to the first team at an older age. We expect a fully formed full back at a younger age.
For me we have to readjust our expectations for a few years and realise we’re a mid table team. If we’re comfortably avoiding the relegation battle this year then that’s an improvement on last. Then we should look to maintain mid-table or bottom end of playoffs. Get a couple of seasons of playoffs and then look to move up to top 2/3.
We’re talking 5 years plus in my opinion and the threat of relegation should not be underestimated when people bemoan some of our recent signings etc'"
Which could and should be easily avoided with the right recruitment & right Coaching set up in place.
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| All this 'its only one game' stuff is rubbish for me.
It's not one game, it's multiple seasons of the same issues, and that's what gets my goat.
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| Quote: Fallon "All this 'its only one game' stuff is rubbish for me.
It's not one game, it's multiple seasons of the same issues, and that's what gets my goat.'"
Agree Fallon. That's why it's so depressing!
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Soon we will be dancing the Fandango
FROM 2004,TO DO WHAT THIS CLUB'S DONE,IF THATS NOT GREATNESS THEN I DONT KNOW WHAT IS.
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| In the clubs history how many sustained successful eras has there been ? I would say 3 . 30s mid 60s early 70s and first 15 years of this century. Yes the club won things in other decades ,but talking about periods of sustained glory by great Leeds teams . It comes round once in awhile its not guaranteed. We all said not so many years ago ' let's enjoy this because it wont last forever '
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| Quote: lionarmour87 "In the clubs history how many sustained successful eras has there been ? I would say 3 . 30s mid 60s early 70s and first 15 years of this century. Yes the club won things in other decades ,but talking about periods of sustained glory by great Leeds teams . It comes round once in awhile its not guaranteed. We all said not so many years ago ' let's enjoy this because it wont last forever ''"
I get not winning things, but this club should be challenging every year, given the resources it has. Relegation scraps and poor entertainment value is unacceptable imho
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| Quote: Fallon "All this 'its only one game' stuff is rubbish for me.
It's not one game, it's multiple seasons of the same issues, and that's what gets my goat.'"
Agreed. It could be excused if we had not been in a relegation scrap last year.. and the year before
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| Quote: Shabino "I get not winning things, but this club should be challenging every year, given the resources it has. Relegation scraps and poor entertainment value is unacceptable imho'"
Couldn't agree more. We are a huge club and should be challenging every season.
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| The main problem the club has is that its got itself in a hole, and once that happens it's very hard to dig yourself out.
There are no magic signings and fixes here which will make us great again, given salary cap constraints etc.
I would point the finger at the lost generation of home-grown talent here. Sutcliffe and Handley don't set the pulse going, and really aside from Ward who have we produced in recent times?
All the younger ones like Walker, Newman, Oledski, Smith etc clearly need more development time before they're fully contributing members of a successful SL side.
I am personally pretty confident that we have a handful of future England internationals coming through, but be prepared to wait another 2-3 years before the side has the right balances to be successful again.
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| Quote: RHINO-MARK "Which could and should be easily avoided with the right recruitment & right Coaching set up in place.'"
I think it could have been mitigated but would have been incredibly difficult to avoid altogether.
Getting the right recruitment and right coaching setup is very easy to say and much, much harder to do.
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