So with Walters and Kruise being lorded by Wigan, who are a very successful club in todays terms. What is it that Leeds fail to see in these players to not try to retain their services?

Leeds wanted to keep Walters, he chose to move on.

Leeming wanted to start games and get in the England team, he chose to move on.

What is it that Leeds can see that Wigans management can’t.

We have Mcdonnell, works both ways

Walters was offered an Improved deal, he wanted out as he thinks he should be first choice and wanted more than we were prepared to play for a squad player One half decent game against a poor Huddersfield does not make him a world beater.
Holroyd is slightly younger and already miles better, Okedski is mikes better (and still only 24) Walters may come good at Wigan, but may be just another squad filler.

Leeming threw teddy out of pram after lousing his place due to his own poor form.

As for Wigan being a successful club. Last 4 years 1 grand final appearance and 1 CC win, same as us.

Exactly and based on current ability we have the better player. McDonnell gets evermore impressive, Walters just a big lad not quite living up to potential.

We signed OConnor at same time as Walters and OConnor established first choice 9

I never commented on Walters as we don't know any details.
leeds may have made a decent offer but wigan offered a huge one.
he may want to be nearer home. disappointing but there you go.
leeming I couldn't care less about

Likewise not fussed about leeming. OTOH I'd likely regard him more highly if I was watching Sam Powell plod around the park each week.
Walters is a genuine unknown for me. I think he may already have reached his max potential but there's a vague unease others have seen something I haven't.

like you I've never got the hype with powell. or mcillorum come to that

Cheers for useful thoughts and comments.
Makes a change on here to not be jumped on for asking a question but responses make sense
Interesting about Walters being offered terms but I always thought being away from home may be an influencer.
Leeming - well I’m not sure about. I always liked the time we had 2 hungry hookers fighting to out shine each other and I liked Leeming but accept he had good games and average games. McDonnell is a great prospect.
I suspect Wire on Thursday will define our remains of the 23 season. Fingers crossed

Cheers for useful thoughts and comments.
Makes a change on here to not be jumped on for asking a question but responses make sense
Interesting about Walters being offered terms but I always thought being away from home may be an influencer.
Leeming - well I’m not sure about. I always liked the time we had 2 hungry hookers fighting to out shine each other and I liked Leeming but accept he had good games and average games. McDonnell is a great prospect.
I suspect Wire on Thursday will define our remains of the 23 season. Fingers crossed

Neither are a great loss. Leeming will cause issues wherever he goes he is that kind of individual. His ego is bigger than his ability. A hooker in the modern game needs to be a very good defender and have the ability to read the play - Leeming had neither of these skills. He was a runner who found it impossible to link with his half backs so any kind of structured play wasn't possible when he was on the field.

Walters - to early to tell - is he prop is he a back row what is he. Sad to see youth development wasted but as has been pointed out we have benefitted from too much talent at Wigan. Is all the disappointment because we are producing so little forward talent from the academy that he looks better than he really is?

Reported that Catalans pulled out of signing Leeming because of his wage demands.They were not prepared to make him a marquee signing.If true then Wigan may have paid way over the odds for a above average nine.

I'm ok with that.

Leeming and Walters may both do well at Wigan. I actually hope Walters kicks on because he could be something different for England. Having said that its just as likely he'll never develop.

Leeming left because he was behind a kid who'd never played hooker till halfway through last season. If he'd been performing there's absolutely no way that would have happened. This year he just took his bat home and left on pretty poor terms with the club, not just Smith. There was absolutely no need for that, and it wouldn't be a surprise if his attitude was a problem within the squad for a while before he left. Hopefully finding that in the NRL he was still a bench player will have grounded him a bit.

Smith made some interesting comments just after Leeming left about OConner - something along the lines of he's a player who plays for the team and not himself - I always thought that was Smith reacting to Leemings press release which was clearly a dig at Smith.

If Wigan have used a Marquee spot on him Id say that they've massively over valued how good he actually is, good luck to them.