Just looking to see if any Rhinos fans agree with me. I watch Leeming regular, and fail to see what he really offers. Very rarely runs from dummy half. His tackling is average, he hides a lot in defence. Dwyer is ten times the player, as are the hookers in all of the top three clubs in the championship. In my view he is being carried. Scores the odd back up try, and all of a sudden he is a world beater. Does anyone agree with me that he is average at best?

I disagree that Dwyer is ten times the player.
And tbh I don't know who the hookers are for Leigh, Fev and Halifax....

+ 1, not sure which Kruise Leeming the lad is watching

Can you qualify the "Dwyer is ten times the player" comment?

More to being a good nine than running loads from dummy half.I fail to see where you think is 10 times the player?

...I see Facebook has an escapee.

The key word from tonight is "control'. That starts from dummy half and every subsequent play onwards. Dwyer does not give us that. He infact has stifled alot of attacking plays with his running game. He also isn't great in defence.

Granted Leeming is deficient in a few areas, namely defence but he is no headless chicken. The best we have IMO is Jarrod O Connor. He was superb tonight.

I rate Leeming, but I'm starting to rate O'Connor more. Maybe Leeming will take on more of the Dwyer impact off the bench role?

Welcome to the forum Brad!

Dwyer far too much the headless chicken type, I'm yet to be convinced with Leeming either. O'Conner looking the best at the moment

Think Leeming will be a lot better next season. Was playing pretty well until he got injured.
O'connor better at moment and also have Johnson (not seen anything of him lately)

I’m starting to find this quite tiresome. One of the reasons I avoid the Facebook groups. I suspect most of the issue people have with Leeming is that we signed him from Huddersfield. Well guess what, they were far better then us when he came.

I’m a huge fan of O’Connor at 9 though.

Dwyer has definitely served his purpose at the club.
He's not what we need.

O'Connor and Leeming could be a decent combo next year.
But I still think we are missing something there.
More control, organisation and dynamism. More Buderus like....

Someone like Levi would do nicely.

If it's just "control" people are after, then fair enough, but it just isn't enough for me for a top hooker. When I watched him against Castleford, apart from one supporting try , I could have done what he did, maybe the flair is going out of the game, and everything is too structured. Ok, Dwyer maybe not times better, slight exaggeration, but certainly a lot better. The 3 hookers from the top championship sides are, Brandon moore, Conor Jones, and Edwin Ipape. Just saying.

Comparisons between Leeming and Dwyer are a bit bogus in my opinion. Leeming offers more of a strategic game whilst in possession whilst Dwyer has that unpredictable but undeniable running threat. Sadly, what they both have in common is substandard defence for a hooker. It's such an important (often ignored by fans) part of the game. Given that they are both physically mature players it's to hard to see how they are going to improve that significantly at this stage. O’Connor, on the other hand, defends excellently and his attacking play continues to improve. Would not be surprised to see him as the starting nine next year.