Play your 'senior' players at all costs ...and never learn from your past mistakes. Why else would we see BJB on the bench, another unused sub, Ward continuing at LC and worst of all Burrow back to hooker with the real Hooker being dropped.
McGuire too is selected on reputation alone now.

Back to being clueless in opposition 20. As soon as Sinfield opted to kick goals you knew we were doomed

Aiton was ill, not dropped

Aiton wasn't dropped he was I'll.

All these threads. I thought I had a problem with McDermot, but good god I think he is taking the blame far too much tonight.

Then I apologise for that one.....but the rest?

As said on another thread BJB over ward any day of the week. Saints were not going to let you through them then You need to find another way around them. BJB offers you this in the air with kicks and also alters the way saints have to defend in certain areas of the field. Even though was a close game Saints just needed to front up to stop you tonight.

BMD outfoxed by the cunning opposition ploy of fielding a reserve team!

Barstewards

nothing to do with Mcdermott's tactics.our halves didnt get a grip of things when we had all that ball in Saints 20 metre zone.

lots of credit to saints too though.they were fantastic in defence.

Someone in pre-season (sorry can't recall who) asked if the biggest obstacle facing Leeds this season was their own coach?

It's definitely up there somewhere on the list.

Despite their win I'd still say the same question of St Helens.

Quite right. A lot of tosh spoken on here about the coaches tactics. The tactics got us often enough in their 20 metre zone and as you say the players took wrong options couple with tremendous defence that kept out tries that on other occasions would have been scored. In the end it was a brilliant last minute try that did for us.

I thought Leeds would have brought more of an off loading game last night, I also thought your halves were a little under par. Peacock was massive with 250 metres but didn,t see much support play to feed off him.

Only three players made an offload. One of them twice.

Regardless of the players Saints had missing they had Super Leagues best hooker against Leeds best scrum half. With no. 9 being such an influential position now I didn't feel confident from the start. Credit to Saints, they were always on the front foot - credit to Leeds for holding out so long & almost sneaking a draw. No knee jerk coach bashing from me.

the gameplan was clear.keep it simple,complete sets,dominate in the forwards,get field position and the points will come.

we pretty much stuck to the gameplan well,just great defensive efforts and constantly poor and predictable options meant we didnt pile on the points we really should have.

Holding out? Holding out?

Have you watched the game or just listened? All the play was in Saints half. Leeds made over 500 metres more than Saints. Had more play the balls. Made Saints drop out five times.

Holding out was only one way mate. There is no credit to Leeds in that department.