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| I read that Danny will soon be fit for the play offs if not the last couple of regular league games. But the question is should he go back into the first team. Liam Sutcliffe has done an excellent job and does he deserve to be dropped. Also does that mean Burrows will go back to being a hocker when he is now back to his natural role and doing a good job. I wonder if he is fit should he have to earn a recall to the first team or start off the bench.
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| Quote: huddersfield rhino "I read that Danny will soon be fit for the play offs if not the last couple of regular league games. But the question is should he go back into the first team. Liam Sutcliffe has done an excellent job and does he deserve to be dropped. Also does that mean Burrows will go back to being a hocker when he is now back to his natural role and doing a good job. I wonder if he is fit should he have to earn a recall to the first team or start off the bench.'"
He should have to earn his place but he wont.
If fit he will slot back in and we will end up with Burrow being in effective as hooker again.
I am not sure how sharpe McGuire would be at the business end of the season anyway.
Some decisions to be made when all the squad is fit.
My bet is Kirke , Ablett, Bailey will all make the 17 along with McGuire and Burrow!
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| If you have to accommodate Sinfield, Burrow, McGuire and Sutcliffe in the same team I'd look at putting Sinfield to 9, Sutcliffe at 13 and then McGuire and Burrows at 6 and 7.
You can always move Burrow to 9 and Sinfield to 7 as the game wears on and markers tire.
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| Or Sinfield to 6 McGuire to 7 more like
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| Imo Mags should be in the 17 but on the bench with Burrow at 7 ,Sutty at 6 and Sinfield back at 13 with Mcshane at 9.
However Burrow will go back to 9 ,Mags at 7 and Sinfield at 6 with Sutty either benched or dropped.
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| I wouldnt mind us trying Sinfield at 9 with Suttcliffe and Mcguire as half backs and using Burrow from the bench like we did a couple of years ago to great effect.Bring Burrow on for a tiring forward and into hooker moving Sinfield back to SO and Sutcliffe to 13.
In reality i think we will go back to the usual 6,7,9 we had before the injuries and Sutcliffe will probably only be used as a sub.
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| I'd be keen to try Sinfield at 6, McGuire at 7, Sutcliffe at 13 and McShane and Burrow spelling as hooker.
I'm not coach though.
At least I don't think I am. I hope I'm not, I haven't seen a training session, well, ever. They should fire me.
What were we talking about? Oh. Yes. I'll try the lemon drizzle please.
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| Quote: El Diablo "I'd be keen to try Sinfield at 6, McGuire at 7, Sutcliffe at 13 and McShane and Burrow spelling as hooker.
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| I think all this depends on when Danny is actually fit to return and how fit he is. There is no way he can walk back into the side for the final couple of play off games and be 100% or even ready. If he can manage to get back before the end of the regular season and get some game time then I'd happily go with either:
Sinfield 6, McGuire 7, Burrow 9, Sutcliffe 13
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Sutcliffe 6, McGuire 7, Sinfield 9, Burrow from the bench.
There are pros and cons for both. The second option puts a lot of pressure on Kev to kick from dummy half early in the match but probably ends up with the shape of the side looking the same after Burrow's introduction after 25-30 minutes.
The first IMO leaves us a forward light although it does allow McShane to be in the
squad. I guess a lot depends on where we are with Macca right now. The Wakefield game was one of his worst in a Leeds shirt yet he went OK at London.
As for the poster above who said sarcastically that Kirke, Ablett, Bailey, McGuire and Burrow would all make the 17. I should bloody think so too! 28 rings between them and 3 are absolute shoe ins when fit regardless of other injuries. Bailey and Kirke less so although at least one of them is always going to make the cut and as long as Kirke remembers how to tackle before the play offs I'd have both in my 17
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| It is a strange one - certainly his return from injury form is no where near his form after playing consistently for some time.
I can't imagine we'd leave him out for the playoffs but at the same time, it would take something special for him to play to his full ability in such a short turnaround.
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| It's all coming together for the Play Offs.
Leeds vs Saints final please
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| Quote: Andy R "As for the poster above who said sarcastically that Kirke, Ablett, Bailey, McGuire and Burrow would all make the 17. I should bloody think so too! 28 rings between them and 3 are absolute shoe ins when fit regardless of other injuries. Bailey and Kirke less so although at least one of them is always going to make the cut and as long as Kirke remembers how to tackle before the play offs I'd have both in my 17'"
That would be me
How do you know it was said sarcastically?
But just to take the discussion further.
You say yourself that Bailey and Kirke less so.
Ablett has gone off the boil lately but may come back stronger soon.
McGuire struggled before his injury and I doubt for one minute he will be better for having the injury.
Game time will be minimal I reckon so how fit is he going to be?
Burrow hasn`t been playing well all season.
Singleton and Sutcliffe in my opinion should not be dropped nor should JP, McShane, Kylie, Delaney and possibly JJB if fit.
So like I said some hard decisions to be made hopefully based on performance and not loyalty.
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| I'd give Danny a couple of games at Hunslet to get his match fitness back up before throwing him back in the SL, although judging by other returning players, I seriously doubt that's happen.
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| Quote: chapylad "
Ablett has gone off the boil lately but may come back stronger soon.
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Well of course he is off the boil after a lengthy injury. The guy has a brilliant record in the big games for Leeds, if fit he is a certainty for every playoff game.
Quote: chapylad "
McGuire struggled before his injury and I doubt for one minute he will be better for having the injury.
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This is playoff rugby where experience counts for everything and with McGuire having 7 Grand Finals with 6 winners rings, he is also a certainty, albeit he wont be playing a full 80 in his first couple of games.
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Burrow hasn`t been playing well all season.
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Yes he has. The last two months both Burrow and Peacock have been absolutely vital for Leeds. Burrow has stood up (Still at knee height) and marshalled the squad brilliantly. Against London he put 110% effort in, unfortunately he didn't have much support in the way off dummy runners making a lot of his work ineffective. And like the above reference to McGuire how on earth can you leave Burrow out after 6 GF wins....
Quote: chapylad "
Singleton and Sutcliffe in my opinion should not be dropped nor should JP, McShane, Kylie, Delaney and possibly JJB if fit.
So like I said some hard decisions to be made hopefully based on performance and not loyalty.'"
All of the names you've mentioned, minus 1, can be in the same 17, as this:
Zak
Bish
Watkins
Moon
Hall
McGuire
Sinfield
Kylie
Burrow
JP
JJB
Delaney
Sutclifffe
Kirke/Bailey
Ablett
Singleton
McShane
Until Mcguire is 100% match fit McShane starts, Burrow goes in the halves and McGuire benches it.
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| No point in having a pivot on the bench, and no team plays with four pivots.
If Sutcliffe plays, then it would be as a ball carrying back rower which isn't his natural game and places more pressure on the other four players in the pack.
With the likes of McGuire, Bailey, JJB, Delaney and McGuire coming back to fitness some hard (and potentially unpopular) decisions will need to be made, if and where Sutcliffe plays being one of them.
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