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| Sam Tomkins
Tom Briscoe
Kirk Yeaman
George Carmont
Joel Monaghan
Rangi Chase
Scott Dureau
James Graham
James Roby
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Steve Menzies
Sean O'Loughlin
Hard to argue with that really. Although IMO perhaps Tom Briscoe should consider himself lucky to be on the wing, with only 18 tries. Compared to say, Ryan Hall (25) or Josh Charnley (21).
Feel a bit for Michael Monaghan too but Roby a worthy 9.
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| Think Chase is lucky aswell tbh he's been pants the last couple of months.
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| rlRyan Hall vs. Tom Briscoe 2011rl.
Hall unlucky in my (Leeds based) opinion. Briscoe done more defending but Hall up in both tries and try assists. I know which stats I'd rather my winger had.
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| Quote: Remarkable_Rhinos "Sam Tomkins
Tom Briscoe
Kirk Yeaman
George Carmont
Joel Monaghan
Rangi Chase
Scott Dureau
James Graham
James Roby
Gareth Carvell
Ben Westwood
Steve Menzies
Sean O'Loughlin
Hard to argue with that really. Although IMO perhaps Tom Briscoe should consider himself lucky to be on the wing, with only 18 tries. Compared to say, Ryan Hall (25) or Josh Charnley (21).
Feel a bit for Michael Monaghan too but Roby a worthy 9.'"
Unless the tries were scored purely by the winger themselves, which is not true in the majority of cases, then tries scored should not be purely the reasoning for picking someone. You only have to look at the actual stats of Briscoe and Monaghan as an example and see the contribution Briscoe has made in comparison. It is huge. And you only have to wonder just what he would have achieved had he been in the Warrington team. Briscoe is clearly the best winger in super league at the moment.
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| Quote: Remarkable_Rhinos "rlRyan Hall vs. Tom Briscoe 2011rl.
Hall unlucky in my (Leeds based) opinion. Briscoe done more defending but Hall up in both tries and try assists. I know which stats I'd rather my winger had.'"
You have seriously undervalued the massive contribution that a good kick return and offload can have on a team. Have you seen the amount of offloads and tackle busts the guy does in comparison?
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| Have they announced this? I missed it if they did.
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| Quote: Gotcha "Briscoe is clearly the best winger in super league at the moment.'"
Which says more about Super League than it does anything else.
No Leeds at all in that dream team. Probably rightly so by our standards. Although we've had a better season than Hull & Catalans.
A few Leeds players who I think were unlucky to miss out....
Ryan Hall - Consistently in the top tries scorers for the past 3 years. The best finisher in SL. The only player that stood a chance of actually making it this year.
Ben Jones-Bishop - Only 12 appearances meant he was never going to make it. Nor will he win 'Young Player of the Year', but IMO if you could pro rata the performances he'd be in with a shout for both.
Carl Ablett - SHOULD win 'Rhinos player of the Year' in my opinion. Not the sort of headline grabber that will make the SL Dream Team, not this year anyway considering the position he plays, but up there with the best this year.
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| As good as Briscoe is Hall has "outperformed" in all our games this year and Bjb made him look very average for his try in the CC game.
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| Quote: El Diablo "Have they announced this? I missed it if they did.'"
Yep. And it looks like you did.
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| I haven't been blown away by Yeaman when I've seen Hull play this year. He is finding his way over the try-line, but he's looked very shaky with his defensive positioning when I've seen them. Maybe that was just the games I saw though, I've hardly seen a representative sample of Hull games.
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| Quote: Remarkable_Rhinos "Yep. And it looks like you did.
Linky?
Obviously a low-key affair this year....
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| Quote: Remarkable_Rhinos "Which says more about Super League than it does anything else.
No Leeds at all in that dream team. Probably rightly so by our standards. Although we've had a better season than Hull & Catalans.
A few Leeds players who I think were unlucky to miss out....
Ryan Hall - Consistently in the top tries scorers for the past 3 years. The best finisher in SL. The only player that stood a chance of actually making it this year.
Ben Jones-Bishop - Only 12 appearances meant he was never going to make it. Nor will he win 'Young Player of the Year', but IMO if you could pro rata the performances he'd be in with a shout for both.
Carl Ablett - SHOULD win 'Rhinos player of the Year' in my opinion. Not the sort of headline grabber that will make the SL Dream Team, not this year anyway considering the position he plays, but up there with the best this year.'"
I don't really think what team you play for should matter. Look at Chase and Cas. Leeds have had a much better season than Cas, but can we really say at stand off we have been better?
As is always said, individual honours will always be sacrificed for Carl Ablett because he put's the team before self every time. IMO had he for instance been at loose all season I would have tipped him as probably been better than O'Loughlin. But unfortunately he hasn't been there so the lad never got the chance.
Hall's done is job and been very good at it. But it just so happens that other wingers in the comp have also stepped up to the plate this year and put in some terrific performances. There is only two spots available, and IMO rather than Briscoe the debatable spot is Monaghan, but only because of the level of competition.
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| Quote: rhinoms "As good as Briscoe is Hall has "outperformed" in all our games this year and Bjb made him look very average for his try in the CC game.'"
Unless I am mistaken the spots in the dream team are based on a 27 round super league season, not including challenge cup games, and not based on Leeds v Hull games only.
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| Quote: El Diablo "Linky?
Obviously a low-key affair this year....'"
rlIt was done at Old Trafford at 2pm this afternoon...rl
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| Hall should have been there. He is the best winger in the comp, IMO.
You could argue a case for Ablett.
Otherwise, that is it.
It's Buderus's omission that I find most shocking, considering we've been told there's not another 9 in this competition to lace his boots.
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