Despite finishing second to us in the league table and losing out to us in the Grand Final saints may still have it in them to be better than us. Lets all meet Youtube’s most outspoken St Helens fan -



He’s convinced that if we had fair referees for the game on Saturday it would have been fair. He’s convinced that St Helens are level pegging with Leeds

Anyone else convinced of stuff like this?

Course they are Damo.

The teams are really close.

We just keep winning the big one, that's all.

If there was any doubt you just need to quote Kevin sinfield.
"Saints are a champion side".
Never a hint of irony. Never rubbing it in. From the heart. And if he believes that, then we should too!

Are they ?

I think not..

Up until this year Saints have been the best team for the last 4 years but only been able to win the Grand Final once
Leeds this year have deserved to be called the true champions having finished top

Are Leeds better than Saints this year Yip

Smith's try could've easily gone against us as the VR does sometimes get the calls wrong.

From that penalty (and only being a point down) Saints could've gone on to win the game. Its been as close as that all season - We just got the rub of the green and ended up champions



For the 3rd year running

OK whos hacked Rommel?

At the beginning of the year ALL teams in SL are aware that the season shall consist of regular rounds, then a play off series cumulating in a Grand Final.

Winning the LLT as the highest points scorer does not necessarily mean that you are the best side. It may well be that another team has tactically rested players, rotated squads and used certain matches as training drills throughout the year with an aim to raising the intensity and fitness of the players to peak for the play off series and then all things being equal the GF.

If a team finishes 8th but has been doing exactly that then in the (unlikely) event that they won the GF then I would still support the view that they are the best team in the country.

Saints knew the process. They took the game, they took the risks, they were weighed, measured and they were found wanting, 3 times. It's irrefutable proof. The first may be coincidence, the second happenstance, but the thrid, well that's a pattern, a group, a clutch. Almost a habit I'd say.

And the 2 years that they've won the Grand Final from 1st they broke the salary cap to do so.

And will they give their 1999 & 2000 titles to Bradford and Wigan?