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Quote: Zoo Zoo Boom "I don't have an issue with any one person at the club - any rational person can see the youth development at Leeds isn't producing the quantity or quality of youngsters it should. You cannot defend the indefensible. Leeds haven't produced a half back for nearly 20 years - you applaud that? Compare what has come out of Saints and Wigan in the last 10 years to what has come out of Leeds - its embarrassing to compare. I am not the only one on here suggesting this isn't working - you need to get your head out of the sand and see things for what they are.

If Leeds had more homegrown talent of the appropriate quality we would not need 8/9 very average overseas players. Again compare the quality of overseas at Wigan & Saints to Leeds and ask yourself why this is.'"


Correct , every year for the last eight years we have been told we have signed the best bunch of junior talent since the Golden generation , yet very little appears in the senior side . If that is not proof of poor coaching at youth level then what is it .

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Wouldn't be surprised if Sinfield Jr turns out to be the next Jordan Lilley. No idea how they all get on at training but limited game time even when other options are questionable makes you wonder. Hopefully he proves me wrong but if he didn't have the Sinfield surname would people think he was as good?

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Quote: batleyrhino "I don't believe for a single second that we are close to the cap limit including all the workarounds, there's plenty of space left to improve the team. If we were only to bring 3 more players in, they should be first class quality and even then it would mean promoting 5 more from the youth set up. The numbers don't add up at a basic level for us not to bring in more players, question is will they be the right quality because the Board will the spend?'"


Let's hope that you are right, and the 'Leeds are close to the cap' messages coming from the club are simply a means to avoid being taken to the cleaners by player agents etc. The Rhyse Martin exit would give credence to this, but you have to wonder if it really was only about money, and other personal issues such as a different challenge, prospect of silverware and length of contract offered also played a part.

I suspect there is transfer money available if the right player is identified, but that won't help us bring in NRL players, and that is where the cap and marquee slots need to be used a lot more effectively.

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Quote: ploinerrhino "Plus the fact he usually only plays first team when we are at the bare bones , so usually we are more over run than normal which makes it harder for him . The kid is talented without doubt but i fear he will move on and prove it elsewhere .'"


We'd be making progress of sorts if that did happen. Far too few of our prospects push on in a meaningful way, either with us or elsewhere.

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Sinfield will have to be really good at passing, kicking and leading the team around to make up for his lack of speed and size. Having said that, we've all seen plenty of half backs who star as juniors because they're quick who fail to kick on because that's all they've got.

It seems like the juniors coming through are significantly better as a group than for a long time, at least in the backs. But our development has been really poor for years. Most of the home grown regulars came through years ago - Handley, Holroyd, Newman, Oledzki, Smith all debuted 2018 or earlier. Of the current side the only regular to come through after that is O'Connor.

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