The whole culture seems to be off. Players simply going through the motions. I highly doubt the likes of saints Wigan etc would be OK with players still being offside on tackle 3 or 4. When conceding it's like the team think nevermind maybe next time. Oledski and holroyd are England international players but seem like different players in Leeds colours. That's simply down to the coach/Gary hethrington. Need players to have a bit of whack in both defence and attack aswel. Not catch the ball still, allow the defence to come up then try a miracle play. Get extra men in the tackle slow them down. These are really basic things but we don't seem to understand that

Jack - I haven't seen much of Norths, but I don't remember anything being said about them playing in some unique way under Smith? The defensive strategy we have now seems to have been developed in his first season, and it worked very well. I think its been worked out and is now a weakness rather than a strength. As we saw last season, if you give up field position even poor sides will feel enthused, and better teams will just take advantage of it. I disagree entirely that its not a tactic, as no other side seems to try to do what we do, and I have no doubt all our players could play a much more aggressive (dare I say normal?) style of defence if asked.

Bombed out massively not getting Fitzgibbon awsome today he's got everything we are missing.

Signed for wakefield along with Johnstone

Wakey are going for it!

Hopefully they get relegated then we can sign him xD

Ken Maumalo looking for a new club.

Swap for Fusitu'a!

Think we will need his QS on a prop ,unless Martin goes too

Does the retirement of Richie Myler mean we have some cap space to play with this season? I think the rumours of the time were that we were contributing to his salary at York this year.

If that’s correct it would be interesting to see what (if anything) we do with that space. Hopefully one of the Journos will ask the question.

Iirc sky said we were about 300k below wigan/ saints on cap spend ? Or was that just money spent ( including coaching staff wtc)

If we have any spare cash and contemplating adding to the squad ,I would prefer waiting to see how the season unfolds. We may well be looking at a new coach territory at the season end.