And while I'm here that's a fantastic post. My Dad died over 25 years ago but we were the same as you and your old man. Brought it right back for a minute. Cheers!

My dad was like the dad in Fever Pitch. I was all emotion and he was relentlessly logical. He even dared to say that the other team might have been better than Leeds when we got hammered. Sacrilege.

Fabulous post. Brought back memories of my father. He was always very respectful of the opponent and always said to me give credit where it’s due and enjoy watching the great sides as nothing lasts forever.

Hope Chris stays on here, he’s a great contributor

Something I don't think that's been mentioned but It did seem that there was a different approach with it being knock out rugby.

Great post

No progress in the cup would be unacceptable if we just lost to Batley or Fev, we lost to the team up at the top end of the table. Get a grip

I for one don't think Smith should go but I do think he needs better coaching support - two rookie assistants isn't great and how much influence can they possibly have.

I would like the team to win every week but I don't consider it a right. What I do expect is a team to play somewhere close to its potential most weeks and be able to do the basics. These are full time athletes after all. You can blame the players for that but some of this has to be down to the coaching. Olpharts dropped a ball he should have caught but look at the pass it was nowhere near where it should have been.

The Aussies beat us all the time because they do the basics so much better than we do - perhaps the players are more gifted and can read the game much better which makes executing the skills easier. Greater competition for places I suppose concentrates your mind and your work ethic

The abuse for Olpherts is laughable, he dropped a ball coming out of his own end but for most the game he was effective a making metres out of our own half. He's definitely this years scape goat.

don't blame him for Saturday, the pass he dropped was a shocker, but to suggest he has been anything but very poor this season is wrong

He hasn't started his Leeds career off well I agree, and he's not one of the players i would have singled out for criticism for Saturday.

I agree with you there - he is not SL standard.

He was far from one of the poorest performers on Saturday - some forum favourites need to up their game too and that includes the coaches