I would say Ashton is as quick if not quicker than French. I also think Makinson is quick enough to score that try. Ryan Hall not so much. Need to remember Handley was clocked as one of the fastest players in SL last year.

More generally a couple of longer range breaks we couldn’t finish. Close to the Hull line we never looked like scoring. We could still be playing now and we wouldn’t have score any kind of attacking shape try from inside the 20. The lack of direction and quality is shown by the run and turn over plays from Leeming and the late kicks from Austin and Sezer. Awful short range kicking game, lack of structured attacking plays. Either we crash over or we do something off the cuff and hope it might come off.

My particular favourite from the saints site re our short kick offs.

''Put it this way - I'd be very pleased if LEeds decide to spend games against us trying to cheat their way into easy possession like that''

Short kick offs are now cheating

Wigan have won more trophies in history than any other team. Fact. The quality of who they did it against is subjective and not a matter of record. In the same way you could argue saints have won their recent titles in a weak competition with no credible challengers. You can do mental gymnastics and use the super league cut-off, but when that gets rebranded over the coming years it’ll be easier just to use all of history.

These type of dick measuring contests are so tedious. But, Ok yeah, Saints are the greatest and will be until the end of time. Have your lollipop if it makes you feel good.

"When I played the replay back a few times Myler was fairly aware of Hurrell coming in and stepped towards him and released the ball knowing he was going to get impact at a high level. Hurrell himself was very frustrated with the outcome and I don't think it was mean't to be deliberate he's just not that type of player. Most will remember the crash tackle on Johnsone were Hurrell helped him off the floor and asked if he was alright."

The gift that keeps on giving! I was at The Shay the night Konrad ruptured Cameron Ciraldo's pancreas with a big hit so Richie giving him a free shot is either incredibly brave, incredibly stupid or it's just a load of bollox from Redvee again! Hmmmm!

Lol.

You can almost tell who has never played rugby, or any contact sport for that matter, by the ridiculous claims they make.

No-one without a deathwish is going to thrust their chin towards Hurrell's shoulder at speed on purpose. Natural reaction would be to raise the shoulder and protect your face.

I personally don't think Hurrell meant to do it, he just isn't that type of player. But I also know Myler didn't purposefully take the contact either.