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| I think that Knowles was just trying to slow the play the ball down but did get his arm in a compromising position.
The Welsby one is a tough one because it was almost a perfect tackle but contact has definitely been made with the head of the Salford player. If you go in that hard and that fast you always run the risk and need to get it perfect.
I haven't slowed it down and watched it frame by frame but the blood on the Salford players face is evidence enough and it doesn't matter whether the contact is shoulder, clash of heads or anything else, Welsby instigated the contact so by the rules we've seen this year it should be a 2 match ban but I have no doubt he'll be cleared to play.
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| Quote CartHorse1984="CartHorse1984"I think that Knowles was just trying to slow the play the ball down but did get his arm in a compromising position.
The Welsby one is a tough one because it was almost a perfect tackle but contact has definitely been made with the head of the Salford player. If you go in that hard and that fast you always run the risk and need to get it perfect.
I haven't slowed it down and watched it frame by frame but the blood on the Salford players face is evidence enough and it doesn't matter whether the contact is shoulder, clash of heads or anything else, Welsby instigated the contact so by the rules we've seen this year it should be a 2 match ban but I have no doubt he'll be cleared to play.'"
He pulled his arm up his back in an unnatural position, there’s no excuse for that. Will he cop a ban, absolutely not, as we all know how it works this year.
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| Quote Clearwing="Clearwing"No shooting down by me on the Knowles one. Pulled the arm behind the player's back but not in a way that put any real stress on any joint. Could still be deemed reckless I suppose. Wellsby's looked the worst of the two though I haven't gone into forensic scrutiny of footage on my phone.
Tbh, after banging on about soft bans all season I'm not comfortable with hoping the panel bans yet more players. If we're good enough, we'll beat saints regardless of who they have on the park. If not, so be it.'"
I'd agree with that but now is not the time to be changing the rules on what gets a ban, if they do then they look even more stupid than they have all year (if that were possible). Look at Martins 2 recent bans, it'd be pretty ridiculous if saints escape without any.
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| Sezer and Gannon definitely out with concussion
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Personally I think the Welsby one was a bad one, looked clear direct shoulder to head and he should probably have seen red in the game. If they don't ban him then they may as well come out and say they don't care about player welfare. 6 inches down and it would have been an awesome hit, but it wasn't.
Knowles has to serve at least a couple of games for that, it's the sort of hold the police put you in to restrain you and he knew exactly what he was doing.
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| Quote Jack Burton="Jack Burton"Sezer and Gannon definitely out with concussion'"
Think Sezer was pretty inevitable from the moment he went down. Massively impressed with Rohan on Gannon. Sounds like technically he could play, but they are not willing to risk his health. Sounds very much like Martin is the only returnee. So be it.
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| It would be shocking for if knowles and welbsly are allowed to play, especially Welbsly given we have a player out due to concussion protocol after foul play, direct hit to the head. But the MRP and RFL don’t follow their own rules.
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| I suspect Knowles will be ok, because they are mainly concerned about concussions at the minute.
In any case, let them both play. Lets have both teams as close to full strength as possible, and battle it out for top spot. I think Rohan is putting huge emphasis that it doesn’t matter who is not playing or what the other team are doing, only what we can control.
Let saints bring it on with a full contingent and let the best team win!
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| Quote christopher="christopher"So should Welsby'"
Don't agree with - it was a great tackle - if we are banning players for tackles like that they game is ruined as a spectacle
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"Don't agree with - it was a great tackle - if we are banning players for tackles like that they game is ruined as a spectacle'"
It was a great tackle apart from the fact that he clocked him in the face with his shoulder. If he was six inches lower you'd be right, but you can't ban all headshots "apart from the ones that look great"
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| This is a game - Leeds should go into with confidence. Saints are beatable it needs a strong ref who will keep an eye on the offside at the PTB - Saints are too quick off the mark.
As Salford showed Saints right side is vulnerable. If Knowles plays then something is seriously wrong with the MRP.
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