To be fair to the club, they've had it harder than most off the pitch in the last few years. They've had to finance the stadium redevelopment whilst having most of their revenue streams from the rugby and hospitality parts of the business cut off over the last 2 years. So you can see why they may be trying to cut costs, but not paying academy players is a disgrace.

I definitely agree regarding the marketing and social media output is abysmal. Phil Daly has been doing it for 25 years, and it still has a very '90s' feel about it. They to get someone in to do it who can bring some energy to it. In fact, there just seems to be a lethargy throughout the whole club and it's seeped through into the team. You can have a good squad like we do, but if you don't play and train with intensity it's irrelevant what players you have. A change of coach or at least a replacement for Sinfield is needed to drive up standards again.

The pitch has been a joke for years. We used to always have one of the best in the country all season. I get that it's harder to maintain a pitch in winter, but the RU team don't play on it anymore, do they?

As for the merchandise. Cheap tat is the default setting for most clothing these days, so it's not all Oxen's fault, it's the system we have. I.e. clothes manufactured for next to nothing in Asia or south America are then sold to us at a huge mark up for us to wear for a few months and then get rid of. This is pretty much how the fashion industry in general works, so it's not going to change anytime soon.

This was obviously coming. That squad has reduced in quality year on year. We are now far worse playing staff wise than when Murray came to the club in '98.

I never thought McDermott would take the club forward and handle the transition as senior players retired and he didn't. It's no mystery where we are, under McD we had most of our worst seasons overall in SL in terms of consistency week in week out. He squeezed what was left out of the likes of Peacock, Mags etc. (or more accurately they showed what born winners and competitors they were and refused to go quietly) but it was clear when those guys ll finally hung up their boots there was nothing in terms of league form to suggest we were going to be competitive . McD laid the foundations of where we are now and Agar finished the job. However, ultimately it's people at the club (you know who I mean) who let this situation develop in the first place. Has Gary lost the passion for it?

This is the most mediocre side I've seen occupy Leeds shirts since I first started watching the team back in 1982. And that includes the sides that barely avoided relegation. We were completely skint in the 90's when Dean Bell had to pull on a shirt, we don't have that excuse now.

This has been like this too long now to believe that it's a blip or a rebuilding phase. There is something more fundamental that needs changing at the top of the organization. Something fresh and committed, a good coach coming in for two years might save us from complete humiliation but he's not going to rebuild this wreckage.

At the start of this thread I suggested GH needs to step aside - he has been superb for Leeds since he came but we all reach a level of ability and we have to admit that it is time to give way to new ideas. The club is limited to his ability and that is real problem for Leeds at the moment. No successor has been groomed or identified - that is poor for any organisation. Nepotism or positive discrimination e.g. JJB gets an assistant coaching role with no elite level coaching experience - sends out the message that this isn't a meritocracy its a mates club.

The coaching appointment will be compromised by the need to retain the likes of JJB - very unlikely GH is going to give a coach free reign to appoint his own people. Plus they will have to work with Agar as DOR!! Furner went because the club didn't like some home truths - which are there for all to see - which if the rumours are true JJB objected to and deliberately under-mind Furner.

It will be both interesting to see who the coach is and how long it takes to find one.

Social media link to an open letter from GH that doesn't work... Yeah sums it up well.

GH is leaving on a jet plane...
... to fly to Aus to interview people

Which is what he should’ve been doing for over a year.