Observations from the south stand yesterday .

Far too many players not up to the required standard .

Robert Lui , who are they trying to kid ?

Liam Sutcliffe ? Why is he still at the club ? He surely has some compromising photos of the Headingley hierarchy , a championship player in super League clothing , but hey , he has a cuddly nickname and is " one of our own " .

A true measure of how far Leeds have fallen is how many of the team would get a game at Saints , Wigan or Wire ??

P.s Where is Crosby ? He can't still be injured surely .

Bottom Six club all day long . Sadly .

It`s baffling that some pundits actually rate Agar as a decent coach.
There`s nothing I`ve seen of his coaching that says he is anything other than a bottom 4 coach in this league and that`s pushing it..
Sinfield I`ve said for a while is out of his depth and now he brings in another mate in JJB.
Hull have some very exciting players in that team and are a pleasure to watch.
Gale and Prior the only positives followed by Smith.
I don`t mind Newman and Walker but they need some quality around them to improve which they don`t have.
Poor team selection especially on the bench where Donaldson had to do the work of a prop.
Sutcliffe needs to put on a few stones and he can play prop as I think that`s the only position they haven`t tried him in.
He`s not good enough Kev even though he`s your mate.
Two big forwards and a winger needed still.
Let`s see where we are at next week against an average Giants team as Hull are a different class to us.

A very disappointing day, although I thought Hull were very good. Their metres after contact appeared to be a massive difference between the two sides
We desperately need go forward, Ava can help provide this and hopefully Crosby gets fit and can contribute. I would be tempted to give Holroyd a go, especially if Ava is not fit. It is a tough job for a young player but it would be good to see him get a run of games at this level. I thought Prior was one of the few positives, he looks to have a good engine to say he is getting towards the end of his career.

There's nothing knee jerk about seeing the same weakness' we have seen for the last 2 seasons.
Those of us who dared question Sir Kev & never rated Agar are still way off being proved wrong.
As for "Merrin wont leave until we have a very good replacement" pmsl straight out of the GH pr BS.
This squad is at the very least 2 big quality fwds & a quality winger from the starting 13 to be competitive.
If we are serious about a top 4 challenge again then the Coaching setup needs dismantling & a proper DOR appointing if we're going down that route.

Prior was good yesterday but he did fatigue which wasnt a surprise , Gale will get better & i thought Cam Smith was very good & has be our 13 going forward.

I thought Prior was very good.

Prior was superb given that was his debut. He will get better and better as well. Cam smith looked much improved also which is great news. Gale did well and will also get better. I'd be very surprised if recruitment didnt step up considerably after yesterday

He was nowhere to be seen for either Naulogo try, or the break that Tuimavave finished off.

It's all very well scoring tries - that is a wingers job, but when it comes to defense - there is nothing there.

Constantly flying in for an intercept - which i think actually did save another try later on with fingertips - but its a 1 in 10 success.

Also bear in mind that he was eyeing up a centre position. Could you imagine?

I think the gap between the top 4 of Saints, Wigan, Wire and Hull and the rest is pretty significant - I think we’ll be one of the better teams of the next group, so not slitting my wrists just yet.

Prior was fantastic - massive minutes, massive workload, crucial defence, but he’ll end up injured/knackered as he was a bit of a Lone Ranger.

Lots of passengers in the squad, players who would be squad fillers elsewhere, but are top 17 for us. Very little zip or pace in the team, not helped by such erratic service from the dummy half.

There is just no danger in our team - very predictable, but I think we’ll still be a cut above the bottom 3 teams.

Saints Wigan and Wire had their blips ,but didn't have a decline like we have for so long . Saints and Wire also built new stadiums too. . I thought after 18 it would be a playing squad building priority.

I've been saying all Preseason our backline is one of the poorest in the league. Bar Walker offer next to nothing creative. We need two new centres and wingers in my opinion. Appreciate will take at least 2 years now.
Pack will hold its own if we can keep Ava and Prior fit.
I tend to listen to Leeds on radio these days and don't invest too much time, as for a club of our stature and resources I can accept a poor year here, and there. But this situation is very hard to accept....

Exactly this, as soon as it was known Ava was out Holroyd should have been named in the 17. I know he is still young but at least he has some size about him which is what we were always going to miss against a huge Hull pack. We probably still wouldn't have won but it couldn't have been any worse.