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| Quote ball-in-hand="ball-in-hand"Surely Furner us responsible for the overseas recruitment . Both Lolohea and Merin look overweight unfit and slow. In addition Lolohea can't catch can't pass and can't tackle Three attributes that are reasonably essential in the game. On Monday he dropped a simple up and under without being challenged.( Luckily he got away with it because of an offside player ) passed the ball in to touch 3 times sent an awful pass to his winger that was uncatchable and resulted in Kershaw scoring the first try and was swotted off like a tiny fly by a Leeds reject when any decent fullback would have bundled BJB in to touch. So he effectively gave away 10 points that would have otherwise resulted in a victory for the Rhinos. .. and don't say but he scored at the end because Wakefield knew the hooter was about to blow and let him score .'"
Apart form his poor skill on Monday Lolohea was so slow he could not catch the Number 1 to Holt Park never mind BJB.
When he does have the ball he would win awards for the most sideways movement.
Patently he is not fit enough, he should be left out until fit.
Walker or Golding at full back is a better bet.
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| Quote Exeter Rhino="Exeter Rhino"Can you also explain how a new coach can make a difference with the same squad at his disposal?'"
Maybe get Bielsa in to show them how.
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| Quote chapylad="chapylad"Maybe get Bielsa in to show them how.'"
Nail on the head.
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| What was it for leeds Utd 12th coach lucky?
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| As an outsider I don't think Furner is the problem as such. When McDermott left didn't he mutter something about if you think its bad now? Reading between the lines which is all I can do what he was saying is that the club as a whole has lost its way with too many people doing jobs they are not equipped to do or alternatively an old boys network has developed.
Happens all the time after clubs have a glory period, happened to Wigan post Linsey to a degree. Happened twice at Man U and at Liverpool to name just a few.
I don't know why because as noted history proves otherwise but these clubs fall back on ex-players from the glory years somehow believing the magic will rub off. It doesn't because it can't Kevin Sinfield is your most obvious example. He was a great player and in time may become a great administrator but for now he's utterly out of his depth. Worse still he's a one club man and thus probably only knows one way and when that way isn't working he simply has no plan B.
Sometimes a new brush and one that simply cannot be argued with, a coach who can change the culture. This sadly can't be done with someone like Sinfield and Peacock (is he back with you?) who are inexperienced and trying to make their names, certainly not if they are involved in the recruitment and sit alongside the Coach in the management structure, its simply a personality clash in the making.
Leeds will need to splash the cash on an unimpeachable Coach who is answerable only to the CEO and sadly he will almost certainly need to be an Aussie. Thats how I see it, please excuse me if I've got Sinfield's and others position in this all wrong.
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| You have probably got most of that right.
Whilst it was deemed a master stroke bringing back Sinfield the worry and it seems to have been proved right is that he was /is too close to the club and his cronies.
To give the likes of JJB and Ablett a contract can only be down to his friendship with the players.
He is I am sure mortified at the way the club has fallen and was falling under the helm of Mc Dermott.
We have brought in two very good marque signings but have ignored the need to have a pair of half backs that can run the game and be creative.
We also up until now ignored the fact we needed fire power in the pack and have had to keep faith with players such as Ferres, Myler, Sutcliffe, Briscoe and Singleton who no longer come up to scratch.
The dilemma is we have too many average players on long contracts and the young lads who need guidance out on the pitch are not getting it or developing fast enough.
I would say it will be a couple of years yet until we get back to anywhere near to where we want to be with or without Furner.
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| Quote Fruity Muffin="Fruity Muffin"As an outsider I don't think Furner is the problem as such. When McDermott left didn't he mutter something about if you think its bad now? Reading between the lines which is all I can do what he was saying is that the club as a whole has lost its way with too many people doing jobs they are not equipped to do or alternatively an old boys network has developed.
Happens all the time after clubs have a glory period, happened to Wigan post Linsey to a degree. Happened twice at Man U and at Liverpool to name just a few.
I don't know why because as noted history proves otherwise but these clubs fall back on ex-players from the glory years somehow believing the magic will rub off. It doesn't because it can't Kevin Sinfield is your most obvious example. He was a great player and in time may become a great administrator but for now he's utterly out of his depth. Worse still he's a one club man and thus probably only knows one way and when that way isn't working he simply has no plan B.
Sometimes a new brush and one that simply cannot be argued with, a coach who can change the culture. This sadly can't be done with someone like Sinfield and Peacock (is he back with you?) who are inexperienced and trying to make their names, certainly not if they are involved in the recruitment and sit alongside the Coach in the management structure, its simply a personality clash in the making.
Leeds will need to splash the cash on an unimpeachable Coach who is answerable only to the CEO and sadly he will almost certainly need to be an Aussie. Thats how I see it, please excuse me if I've got Sinfield's and others position in this all wrong.'"
I think you have got it wrong TBH.
Sinfield was brought (amongst others) to facilitate the rebuild of the squad and club - judging him or blaming him for this year when he hasn’t even been doing the job for a year seems misguided to me, Sinfield has been consistent in his message that there is no quick fix and it will take time to get back to where we were.
Nobody really knows whats going in behind the scenes so as I say it’s difficult to judge whether the new set ups is going well or not, this year was always going to be tough.
Peacock has nothing to do with the playing squad he is there to sell the corporate side of things and by all accounts that side is a success.
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| Quote chapylad="chapylad"You have probably got most of that right.
Whilst it was deemed a master stroke bringing back Sinfield the worry and it seems to have been proved right is that he was /is too close to the club and his cronies.
To give the likes of JJB and Ablett a contract can only be down to his friendship with the players.
He is I am sure mortified at the way the club has fallen and was falling under the helm of Mc Dermott.
We have brought in two very good marque signings but have ignored the need to have a pair of half backs that can run the game and be creative.
We also up until now ignored the fact we needed fire power in the pack and have had to keep faith with players such as Ferres, Myler, Sutcliffe, Briscoe and Singleton who no longer come up to scratch.
The dilemma is we have too many average players on long contracts and the young lads who need guidance out on the pitch are not getting it or developing fast enough.
I would say it will be a couple of years yet until we get back to anywhere near to where we want to be with or without Furner.'"
Realistically what could Furner and Sinfield have done about the halfback situation? Myler was contracted and Tui I believe was signed before they took over, the two major signings they have sogned have been our best players, they have shipped out some of the deadwood and signed a very promising young half back.
I can actually see the reasoning behind the JJB and ablett deals but don’t necessarily agree they were the right calls.
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| Sinfield was a great player and captain for Leeds but like JP has absolutely no management, coaching or business experience. I said this at the time of his appointment that he would be a supernumerary and would be an obstacle for any new coach.
The second half of last season when he was in charge of the team the performances got worse and he made some poor 2nd rate signings and strange selection decisions. Furner had no head coach experience and his own selection decisions have closely followed those on Sinfield which suggests he is not his own man.
Since Sinfield himself stopped playing for Leeds we have needed a playmaker as the number one priority yet our chief excecutive failed to address this need. Other retiring stars have not been replaced with quality either and the board have only had eyes for the new stadium.
I do not accept Sinfield’s opinion that it will take 3 years or so to bring success back to Leeds and neither should the board. SL is now of such poor quality that a club the size of Leeds should have been able to provide the funds necessary to transform the squad within a year. Other teams have made much better signings than we have in the last 12 months.
Furner could well prove to be a good head coach but he is a rookie and we perhaps should have aimed a bit higher.
Merrin should be made captain and young McLelland should be given a chance at half back as he cannot be worse then any of those selected so far this season.
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| Furner was head coach of the Raiders for 3(?) years. He then had various assistant roles. Let's please put the myth of him being inexperienced to rest.
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| Quote Juan Cornetto="Juan Cornetto"Sinfield was a great player and captain for Leeds but like JP has absolutely no management, coaching or business experience. I said this at the time of his appointment that he would be a supernumerary and would be an obstacle for any new coach.
The second half of last season when he was in charge of the team the performances got worse and he made some poor 2nd rate signings and strange selection decisions. Furner had no head coach experience and his own selection decisions have closely followed those on Sinfield which suggests he is not his own man.
Since Sinfield himself stopped playing for Leeds we have needed a playmaker as the number one priority yet our chief excecutive failed to address this need. Other retiring stars have not been replaced with quality either and the board have only had eyes for the new stadium.
I do not accept Sinfield’s opinion that it will take 3 years or so to bring success back to Leeds and neither should the board. SL is now of such poor quality that a club the size of Leeds should have been able to provide the funds necessary to transform the squad within a year. Other teams have made much better signings than we have in the last 12 months.
Furner could well prove to be a good head coach but he is a rookie and we perhaps should have aimed a bit higher.
Merrin should be made captain and young McLelland should be given a chance at half back as he cannot be worse then any of those selected so far this season.'"
In a salary cap sport you cannot simply make wholesale changes - it will take time. This squad has been going backwards since the close of 2015 and it will probably take 3 years to turn the squad around provided the quality of player is available and wants to come to Leeds. How long have Myler, Briscoe, Singleton, Handley, Ferres, Tui etc got let on their contracts you can't ship players like this out before the end of their contract unless somebody else wants them.
Furner is an experienced coach - he is far from a rookie
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