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| Quote BrisbaneRhino="BrisbaneRhino"Just on the man-management stuff, I don't know why anyone would be surprised that BM has issues with some players. So does Wayne Bennett (Gorden Tallis for one publicly doesn't have much time for him). It goes with the territory, particularly when the coach has been in place for a long time.'"
I wouldn't be surprised with any coach having issues with certain players, don't know why you've bought it up to be honest.
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| Quote Charlie Sheen="Charlie Sheen"Not IMO. Hull are pretty average in attack, I think.'"
Agreed. I would argue Hull's success in attack is in spite of Radford, rather than because of. They have the best attacking talent in SL but it is not a coordinated approach.
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"Most coaches work far more on defence than attack probably because its easier and the professional mentality seems to if we concede less than our opponents we can lose rather than if we score more than our opponents we can't lose - Cas are the exception which reflects the fact they have an ex-back as a coach.'"
Powell has obviously done a shed load of work on defence; the second best in SL now.
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| Quote tigertot="tigertot"Powell has obviously done a shed load of work on defence; the second best in SL now.'"
But an equal amount on attack which helps to explain why they have the second best defence in SL.
If you are putting big scores on opponents then the amount of defending you will be doing is pretty limited and that will be a contributory factor as to why you have conceded less points than most
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| Quote rhino65="rhino65"I wouldn't be surprised with any coach having issues with certain players, don't know why you've bought it up to be honest.'"
Yeah the way some go on about it you'd think it doesn't happen at other clubs. Look at the other coach/team to have won some GF's recently in Wane and Wigan. Surely he has his fall outs with players especially in defeats and sometimes they can't stand him.
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"Most coaches work far more on defence than attack probably because its easier and the professional mentality seems to if we concede less than our opponents we can lose rather than if we score more than our opponents we can't lose - [uCas are the exception which reflects the fact they have an ex-back as a coach[/u.'"
Plus two more (halfbacks at least) in Sheridan & Orr.
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| I have read countless threads and topics about McDermott over the years, and have refrained from chipping in a) because I probably couldn't add much if anything more than others already have done, and b) because I have better things to do with my life than get into pointless arguments with blinkered haters. However, to follow on from what a couple of posters have said on here, there are no opinions which are anywhere near as valid as those of the people who've worked with him, and it's far from being a secret that the likes of Sinfield and Peacock rate McDermott very highly - this alone should be enough for anyone!
However, I can also draw upon the opinions of a close friend of mine who was on the fringe of the first team under McDermott a few years ago (very nearly got his shot during a bit of an injury crisis amongst the outside backs...). Having worked under both McLennan and McDermott he said the difference was very stark - McLennan was a really nice bloke, but didn't seem to have much of a Plan B, and wasn't overly rated by a substantial percentage of the squad. McDermott on the other hand was a complete breath of fresh air, with excellent man management skills and a very clear idea of what direction the team needed to move in. He cared about every one of the players and was as passionate about success and how to achieve it as anyone he'd ever worked with. To his knowledge, every one of the playing staff rated McDermott highly, and the way he saw it, the only kind of person who wouldn't like him would be someone who wasn't prepared to knuckle down and give everything for the team. McDermott had pretty much every single aspect carefully planned out - everyone had a role, and they knew exactly what was expected of them, right down to the much maligned Ian Kirke... sadly things didn't work out for my mate as a nasty injury curtailed his progress and eventually led to him retiring from the professional game. But despite it not working out for him at Leeds, he only ever has incredibly positive things to say about McDermott.
There will always be haters, and they will always hate. A Lot. For some reason there have been people who have never rated McDermott and have been desperate to see him fail pretty much from the start. God knows why! the success he has brought and the respect he has earned is pretty much unparalleled! At the end of the day, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to me the level of hatred and vitriol hurled at McDermott (especially the pathetic "McDumbnut" brigade) goes far, far above anything that I would deem acceptable, and highlights just how far this country has gone downhill now that we're living in the Social Media age. I like Brian McDermott, and I respect him immensely. He always speaks with pride and honesty, and whether people like what he says or not, one can never accuse him of not caring. Very briefly I started to question thing ever so slightly after the debacle at Cas at the start of the season. As he always has, McDermott has since answered all my questions and proved me wrong for starting to doubt. Whatever happens on Saturday, this season has cemented his legacy as one of the best we've ever had.
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| I'm not sure anyone here hates McDermott. Bit of a stupid expression.
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"Most coaches work far more on defence than attack probably because its easier and the professional mentality seems to if we concede less than our opponents we can lose rather than if we score more than our opponents we can't lose - Cas are the exception which reflects the fact they have an ex-back as a coach.'"
Cas have the 2nd best defensive record in SL and defense is a very important part of their game. Their attack would not be half as good without Gale and ours would be so much better if he were playing for us. So I would say it has less to do with the former position of the coaches than the class of the playmaker on the field
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| Quote HyperbolicRhino="HyperbolicRhino"I have read countless threads and topics about McDermott over the years, and have refrained from chipping in a) because I probably couldn't add much if anything more than others already have done, and b) because I have better things to do with my life than get into pointless arguments with blinkered haters. However, to follow on from what a couple of posters have said on here, there are no opinions which are anywhere near as valid as those of the people who've worked with him, and it's far from being a secret that the likes of Sinfield and Peacock rate McDermott very highly - this alone should be enough for anyone!
However, I can also draw upon the opinions of a close friend of mine who was on the fringe of the first team under McDermott a few years ago (very nearly got his shot during a bit of an injury crisis amongst the outside backs...). Having worked under both McLennan and McDermott he said the difference was very stark - McLennan was a really nice bloke, but didn't seem to have much of a Plan B, and wasn't overly rated by a substantial percentage of the squad. McDermott on the other hand was a complete breath of fresh air, with excellent man management skills and a very clear idea of what direction the team needed to move in. He cared about every one of the players and was as passionate about success and how to achieve it as anyone he'd ever worked with. To his knowledge, every one of the playing staff rated McDermott highly, and the way he saw it, the only kind of person who wouldn't like him would be someone who wasn't prepared to knuckle down and give everything for the team. McDermott had pretty much every single aspect carefully planned out - everyone had a role, and they knew exactly what was expected of them, right down to the much maligned Ian Kirke... sadly things didn't work out for my mate as a nasty injury curtailed his progress and eventually led to him retiring from the professional game. But despite it not working out for him at Leeds, he only ever has incredibly positive things to say about McDermott.
There will always be haters, and they will always hate. A Lot. For some reason there have been people who have never rated McDermott and have been desperate to see him fail pretty much from the start. God knows why! the success he has brought and the respect he has earned is pretty much unparalleled! At the end of the day, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to me the level of hatred and vitriol hurled at McDermott (especially the pathetic "McDumbnut" brigade) goes far, far above anything that I would deem acceptable, and highlights just how far this country has gone downhill now that we're living in the Social Media age. I like Brian McDermott, and I respect him immensely. He always speaks with pride and honesty, and whether people like what he says or not, one can never accuse him of not caring. Very briefly I started to question thing ever so slightly after the debacle at Cas at the start of the season. As he always has, McDermott has since answered all my questions and proved me wrong for starting to doubt. Whatever happens on Saturday, this season has cemented his legacy as one of the best we've ever had.'"
Top post and spot on
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| Quote Juan Cornetto="Juan Cornetto"Cas have the 2nd best defensive record in SL and defense is a very important part of their game. Their attack would not be half as good without Gale and ours would be so much better if he were playing for us. So I would say it has less to do with the former position of the coaches than the class of the playmaker on the field'"
Cas have a very structured attack which they have shown to work - Gale is part of that structure. Having Gale at Leeds as part of a completely unstructured attack I am unsure as to how he would add value.
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