Both Wakefield and Leeds run these on a regular-ish basis. I've attended at both clubs and found them great for supplying ideas and a chance to discuss etc.

From my experience, a lot of the coaching at youth level revolves around winning, when it shouldn't, leads to the usual, give It to the big kid, best player/coaches boy at 6 even if the ball never goes any further, over aggressive, couple of player lead defence rather than good technique and decision making. That's not everyone, there are some people doing great work, but to an extent I think coaching age group ruby often attracts the wrong type of people.

On the point of there not being enough clubs it is really strange. At the younger age groups s (up to about 12s) there seems to be loads, almost too many, to the point where a lot of teams have smaller numbers, then for whatever reason there seems to be a lot of drop off. Some teams disappear completely meaning some teams are left with big squads from taking on others in their area.

Whilst I agree it would be ideal to teach kids the skills but do you think you could retain them if they got beat in every game by a team who applied the "give it to the biggest lad" approach?

Ive experienced that quite a bit with the lads I coach (u11s) many games this year I've come away feeling we've played the better game, but lost to a team that plays a style I don't agree with or is heavily realiant on individuals, be that for size speed etc. Now we don't become 'competitive' till next season, and I can see this getting worse.

Now I've lost some players this year, but I'm confident that the players I have got have developed, and importantly the parents I have seem to have bought into it eventually. The key part was communicating that my focus as a coach was and is not on winning, it's on individual and team development.

How long that lasts as boys get a bit older etc I don't know, they are going to care more about winning, hopefully their hard work will develop to tangible success as a byproduct. But personally I wouldn't want to put success before development and I preach that, the same way I preach putting the team before individuals. For me I'd rather keep players who think that same way. Competitiveness is a great trait, but it shouldn't manifest as selfishness if you get me?

I suppose I wish I saw more teams do that, and in a way I think we are going to competitive league structure a year or 2 early.

Maybe I'm a bit of a dreamer.

Keep that ethos, its the one thats most productive when it matters. The last team i coached up to the end of last year started in group 4 (around position 38 out of 40) at u9s and finished the u16s season 4th in the premier. The early days were spent without focusing on win win. The undefeated all conquering u12/13 yorks/national champions ended up falling down the divisions.

Its great that Leeds and Wakefield are doing some of this (Wakefield are the local SL club to Upton and we've not seen them there recently), but my point is all teams should be doing it. The standard of coaching at amateur clubs is usually woeful, mainly around the points you raised, and here is where we need to see improvements. Personally, at the younger end, I think it's all about team ethics, skill education and development, and making it fun, however even at this age the coaching seems to be as you describe with the big kid skittling the little ones and eventually they lose interest. Parents don't help sometimes either, as the kids can hear them from the touchlines, complaining about this kid or that kid "being crap", its so disheartening.

Forgive the pun, but the amateur game needs to professionalize sooner rather than later to keep kids interested and provide them with the skills necessary to develop. The professional game has a responsibility to make sure that the "production line" is in good health.

Couldn't agree more. It's about getting the right people involved at club level, and then them not being willing to just stand still.

Coaches have to learn as much as players to stay ahead of the game. Parents with all due respect need to buy in and to a certain extent get out of the way, but as a coach control what you can control, yourself and your players.

Cheers Seth. It's nice to find like minded people. Hard work and long term goals.

if it's a help football is exactly the same. parents running teams, only in it to cover themselves with glory. non existent coaching as the dad's play to win.
some parents are great but most aren't.
and football has spent millions on grass roots coaching

I think it's a sporting problem in general. Unfortunately while the top level is ticking over nicely often the people higher up he could have an impact probably won't.

It is. I coach Union and have done for nearly 10 years now (started when my son did at U6). Same story, everyone seems to have their own agenda - I guess including me, I just hope mine is a little more productive and less ed on my own child.
Swimming however is on another level. I can only assume we produce champion swimmers by accident (and the medal numbers probably back that up). Parents are a nightmare in swimming, usually because top clubs employ a coach and are run by parents. I have seen and heard of clubs literally torn apart by groups of parents pushing their own agenda or just wanting to f*** things up for everyone else out of jealousy or ignorance of how to actually train a swimmer. They all become experts and all think they know what their child should be doing - and very rarely does it match what a professional coach thinks. We had three years of it at the top level with my son, from 10 to 13 and I never want to have anything to do with it again and I certainly have no contact with any of the other parents I got to know in that time. I don't know one club that hasn't had parents try to bring it to it's knees, sack coaches etc. and some of the vendettas between clubs are hilarious, or they would be if they weren't so vindictive. In rugby you have a shouting match and maybe a bit of agro, in swimming it's done through solicitors (I've seen numerous court cases) and committee meetings and knives in the back. My son has been targeted because we dared to move club, his old club found a technicality in the county rules and had him banned from competing that year- to "protect him from exploitation as a swimmer" was the official explanation. The truth was his old coach was a total b**ch who should never have been allowed near children. Rugby is so much simpler, trust me.

Ouch. Sounds terrible that DHM. My experience of swimming back in the 80s was that you had to be extremely good indeed to get offered any coaching whatsoever but that seems better than the current nightmare.