We can analyse the tactics , the coaching , the players etc forever and a day , but the simple fact are Hull fc we're far too powerful up front for us to live with . This enabled the likes of Sneyd , Kelly and Houghton the time and space to control the game as they liked . The importance of winning the arm wrestle is too often overlooked . The Hull pack were magnificent yesterday and never took a backward step , our pack was shown to be nowhere near strong or aggressive enough . Outmuscled , out enthused , and sadly not really of the required standard at this level .

It reminded me of the old pre-Super League days. We flatter to deceive during the season, winning more than we lose, then when it comes to crunch time, we get hammered.

I think Mcdermotts a bad coach,we look woeduly unorganized and lacking in any structure most games and it feels like we havnt controlled the ptb since he got here,this will lead to the pack being knackerd after 20 mins,this is compounded by having a bench with either unfit players,too many backs or just not using players atall,these are all coaching issues. Imo we'd see a sizeable raise in performance from even some of our lesser players if we had a competent coach who gave the players the best platform to succeed. This isnt just a reaction to yesterday...Iv never rated him.

24 hours later, one thing stands out more than the rest for me of yesterday's performance. There seems to be no hunger about the place anymore. Some might call it professionalism but whatever it is, that will to go further and harder than the other team, it's missing for Leeds these days and it has been for a little while.

The players should shoulder a large portion of the blame for the performance yesterday, or in any individual game, but when you string a series of similar performances together, or ones like we have seen for the last 12-18 months, where when it got tough we folded, you can only look to GH and BMD for they are the ones with the power to change failing players.

Hysterical? Nope your mis-reading the tone of an opinion but i aren't surprised.
More of the same "its not brians fault"
As for the long history once again you fail to take anything in context.
Why have'nt you answered the selection or gameplan issues?
Onto the Coach not being blameless where have you actually put he was to blame for ANYTHING?
Just like earlier in the Season when you were slating Sutcliffe for running & getting caught on the 5th you blame the player yet when Mags revealed it came from the Coach to avoid a 7 tackle set you claimed it could be a good tactic

loads of rugby acuman.
Also my posts state clearly about GH & the Players also being at fault.
It's a forum for opinions if mine are predictable & boring then blatantly so are yours pal.

Moving forward in the season we still need to get Watkins more involved, whether that's moving back to full back Im not sure but I would be tempted.

Also does Lilley start with Moon moving back to centre?

for me yes. let him organise and McGuire run

Id play sutcliffe in the for the rest of this season if he's fit,moon may not be a proper half but we'v scored a lot more points since he moved there

Watching the pre game we could do with bmm.

If you look back over the BM coaching period my opinions have been justified in most cases whereas the anti-mac brigade have just kept posting the same old same old against Mac and he has just kept winning trophies since 2011 with the odd exception.

If poor performances are in the majority how come we are 2nd in the table. Unlike many other SL sides we have not recruited stars each year and the coach has had to put up with some exceptional negative circumstances with a gradually aging squad, yet still manages to be in the hunt for trophies again this year.

To be fair you do occasionally give credit to BM when due which is why I do not class you along with those that appear to want Leeds to fail just so they can say after 6 years 'I told you I was right'