After the Cas game I have taken a couple of days to let it sink in before posting,was it really that bad a performance?YES probably the worst for twenty years as for the future f**k knows but looking back to when Caddick&Hetherington arrived and did a root and branch makeover and made us the best in the business on and off the pitch.the bit they seems to have missed is that raising playing/coaching/stadium standards to a high level also involves a raising of expectation that those standards will continue,and that involves continuos review of things like the academy which a few seasons ago we were the pinnacle and A standard in this country.so maybe mr Hetherington needs a good hard look at himself and the whole club and become the guy who took over in95/96 instead of the supremo or el capitano of super league that he imagines he is.get back to basics Gary we as fans deserve the expectations you raised to be met

I think Cuthbertson has actually started the season quite well, and letting our only ball handling prop go would be madness at the moment.

Really think he is no better than last year and everyone made the excuse he wasn't fit - very disappointing for me a one season wonder who has been found out and whose impact has been negated

I'd agree with that, at times last year it seemed he was just trying to do too much, carrying the ball early in the set and trying to ball play at the back end of the set invariably led to errors.

I'd also agree with the poster a bit further up that all our forwards are much of a muchness, especially in the back row with plenty of workhorses but no bite.

More than anything else I think our biggest problem is the halves. Yes they are not helped by the lack of men in motion etc but that has never really been the way we have played.

I'd agree with that. He is currently our main attacking threat and ball player and targeted.

Cuthbertson as a straight up and down prop is average at best. He had a completely mediocre NRL career and was released by the Knights because he was adding nothing. If you take away 2015, and look at what he's contributed since, I can't see how you could make a case that you shouldn't do better from an import. Playing badly on a regular basis because they are 'trying to do too much/too hard' is an excuse I've heard down the years which has never made any sense - if that's genuinely the case then he's brain dead.

I'm with those who would hope we keep the good backs we have rather than try to offload them to buy strength elsewhere. The idea that good wingers are ten a penny is nonsense - before Hall we had Calderwood, then Cummins, then I'm struggling to think of any quality through the juniors over 30 years. Centres are even less common, so I'd keep Watkins and actually try to play to his strengths rather than flop him the odd ball flat in no space.

Being realistic we will probably only see 2 or 3 changes for next year. What we need to see is quality, targeting key positions. There should always be a place for project players, but right now its the core of the team which is a disaster.

More importantly we just look like a badly coached team with zero confidence or idea what we're trying to do in attack and absolutely hopeless under any kind of pressure in defence. That won't be fixed by bringing in Thurston, let alone a Widdopp. I just don't see us getting anywhere without wholesale changes in coaching and conditioning.