Good. His playing his awful, his captaincy is worse. He's quick to flap his arms around at everyone else but couldn't direct traffic let alone a team.

From Cas game (Moon and Parcell aside) it was gutless, embarrassing, effort. they should all be thoroughly ashamed.

Lilley will never be Alfie Langer, but the ways he's used by McDermott and then omitted, then brought back in.... screams like Paul McShane. Look at how Paul McShane is flourishing now.

McDermott was the answer at one point, he's not anymore. He has to go. He's coming across as arrogant and deluded. He's not the man to stop the hemorrhaging.

It's not all doom and gloom, we might only lose this one by 20.

Contact was made with Child by a Saints player trying to get back to prevent the game winning penalty try.
I wonder if that will lead to a citing?
It didn't look too dissimilar to Ablett's to my ( admittedy jaundiced) eye.

McGuire as captain looks to have been a mistake. I would appoint Carl Ablett as our new captain with JJB and Burrow vice captains.

If Ward could stay fit, he should be captain

I think it will be Ward within the next 2-3 years.

Ward without doubt should be captain starting next season. Big problem is the the poor lad looks to be one of the players who are Jinxed with injuries . Luck probably plays a big part, look at sinfields long and illustrious career, remarkably free of long term injuries.

4 rounds in and we already have a must win game, if we win then people can put the humiliation of Cas to one side and move on with the season, but if we loose I can see the confidence of the whole team plummeting and we could end up scrapping for 8th place.

Dont know what some people have seen in ablett to make him captain, he moans 10 times more than McGuire, and I don't think Burrow or JJB will be on the field enough for more than a 'club captain' role.

I agree with others that Ward should be made captain at the end of the season.

I don't know why some on here blame McGuire so much, but it has been going on long before he was captain. He didnt play well but was by no means our worst performer and produced the only real moment of creativity in the assist for moons try. Also he was pretty unselfish in sending men away from him for Cas' first try but the rest of the team was too asleep to react.
Ive said it before, we could have Wally Lewis in our team but he would never create anything because we have no dummy runners and no attacking shape.

A win against Catalans is the sort of record most on here expected from those first five fixtures, which would be the equivalent of just inside the eights. Some predicted top four, which would not happen based on that sort of record. A loss to Catalans and you are looking at a record no one was expecting.

Do you think Wire or Saints are going to make the top 4?