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Quote: SmokeyTA "My point is, and this goes to sals and rhinoms posts too, many players have potential, few reach it and the judgements on here of who will or won't are generally terrible. I'm not saying people shouldn't express them just that it leaves McDermott on a hiding to nothing when he is held responsible for others crappy opinions. Which is what Schofield has done here.

It's also impossible for any coach when opinions are not only poor but they wildly vacillate on the changing winds if they aren't ridiculously contradictory. Sutcliffe is both the saviour one week not good enough the next. Lilley is championship level yet also unfairly kept out of the team. Leeds aren't exciting to watch but we need structure like Wanes Wigan, they need to start afresh buy go back to someone already failed once at Leeds like Powell.'"

The fact remains we still have very little in way of an attacking game plan he certainly has zero plan B & ATEOTD it's the Coaches job to A.Get the best out of the available squad & B.Develop & improve younger players.
Also id add his man-management on/off the pitch is poor.
Non of the above have happened in the last 14mths & in some cases wrt Youth not at all.
You may call those opinions crappy & indeed you are entitled to yours but im sticking with mine & imo the evidence is there to see.

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You see, the evidence that his man-management skills are lacking just doesnt stack up. Even taking the most anti-mcdermott position, that what we have won we did so because of the players not Mcdermott, then his ability to keep out of the way of himself is something that uber-coach Tony Smith failed to do with imo our best squad of players in 2005 and 2006. In 2006 i remember the common wisdom was that Smith was struggling because he had lost McDermotts man management skills when he went to London.

In McDermotts 6 seasons so far he has won 3 SL titles, 2 challenge cups, a WCC and LLS, im not sure how much more there was to get out of the squad. In that time we have seen the emergence of Golding, Lilley, Sutcliffe, Ward, Singleton, Handley, Keinhorst. Baldwinson, Walters and many more. Its wrong to say he hasnt developed players.

I get the disappointment of last season, and ive said myself that we look like a team about to click in to form, but thats as good as we have looked for over a year and that is not good enough. But it is simplistic to look at McDermotts job performance on not getting the best out of his team last year, Ive no doubt we could fire McDermott bring in a few ringers and finish comfortably in the top 8. We are Leeds Rhinos. Our aim has to be higher than that. Our aim is for the next 15 years to better the last 15 years. We don't do that by chopping and changing, we do that by consistency.

We shouldnt minimise McDermotts achievements, nor should we give him a free reign. If we collapse like we did at times we did last year he should go, if we dont at least show some obvious signs of clicking this year, he should go. But when/if McDermott goes, it has to be part of the plan for the next 15 years and not as a response to some of the impossible expectations that some have.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "You see, the evidence that his man-management skills are lacking just doesnt stack up. Even taking the most anti-mcdermott position, that what we have won we did so because of the players not Mcdermott, then his ability to keep out of the way of himself is something that uber-coach Tony Smith failed to do with imo our best squad of players in 2005 and 2006. In 2006 i remember the common wisdom was that Smith was struggling because he had lost McDermotts man management skills when he went to London.

In McDermotts 6 seasons so far he has won 3 SL titles, 2 challenge cups, a WCC and LLS, im not sure how much more there was to get out of the squad. In that time we have seen the emergence of Golding, Lilley, Sutcliffe, Ward, Singleton, Handley, Keinhorst. Baldwinson, Walters and many more. Its wrong to say he hasnt developed players.

I get the disappointment of last season, and ive said myself that we look like a team about to click in to form, but thats as good as we have looked for over a year and that is not good enough. But it is simplistic to look at McDermotts job performance on not getting the best out of his team last year, Ive no doubt we could fire McDermott bring in a few ringers and finish comfortably in the top 8. We are Leeds Rhinos. Our aim has to be higher than that. Our aim is for the next 15 years to better the last 15 years. We don't do that by chopping and changing, we do that by consistency.

We shouldnt minimise McDermotts achievements, nor should we give him a free reign. If we collapse like we did at times we did last year he should go, if we dont at least show some obvious signs of clicking this year, he should go. But when/if McDermott goes, it has to be part of the plan for the next 15 years and not as a response to some of the impossible expectations that some have.'"

Picking younger players for 1st team games doesn't equate to developing them especially when some only get 5 minutes or none at all.
He's had his time his achievements are set in stone but that time is up like you say we look forward not back and that is a grim picture under this Coaching set up.
Tonight proved again he has no idea how to set a team up with or without injuries as did his subs and his choice of Captain has proved woeful.
Now granted GH takes some flak re-Recruitment/retention but this squad needs fresh ideas and a Coach to believe in they simply don't with Mc.D anymore.

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You on the Wacky Smokey , some of those players you are saying he has developed are either garbage or gone backwards and as for the love in on here at the moment with our full back i just do not get it .

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Quote: SmokeyTA "You see, the evidence that his man-management skills are lacking just doesnt stack up.....

Watching Hardaker & McShane last night was not overwhelming evidence of McDermott's man-management skills.

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