Think we could get to challenge cup final - We did OK back end of last year

As I recall Delaney didn't return from Australia until after Xmas last year but he'd had a small op on his knee so couldn't be training any earlier anyway, although did some fitness work whilst over there. Moon's had niggling knee problems so wouldn't be surprised if that's a similar scenario. As for Segeyaro it probably was a request when he signed that he could get an extended break back home.

He may well be when compared to what Mick watches week in week out!!

And look for another club

His agent must be a lazy git then if Segeyaro has to find it himself

Same here. And if the doom-mongers' predictions prove sound, we could always swap the games round.

If we are not signing anyone post Hardaker and the 30 announced is the 2017 squad then the key for me is what level the fringe players can get to. The improvement seen between 2014 and 2015 was in large part due to the contributions of players like ward, singleton, aiton , Cuthbertson and Garbutt adding so much.

For next year to be a success I think we need Golding, keinhorst, lilley , mullalley and Walters to step up and play like first choice 17 players. Jimmy k was just about there last year.

If this can happen it will create competition for places and with a good run injury wise , we can maybe challenge.

fingers crossed.

I agree we will need others to step up. Can't say iv'e ever been convinced of Walters ability to make the step up as a reliable player though and Mullally looks real plodder level at best on last years evidence. Add to that we have a few projects that may be even worse like Ormondroyd our squad depth has a lot of question marks. Maybe Baldwinson will be finally given a chance this year though or one of the other lads can have a break out year, i think we will need it at some point to be up fighting at the top end again.

Im not right bothered about winning something as long as we see a proper plan to being the youngsters through. Top 8's and a marked improvement in the youngsters is good enough for me. A cup run would be nice too

I'd agree with this, I am acctually quietly condifident of a good season this year, maybe not in terms of winning things, but in terms of building and seeing some new blood really come through.

On paper I think our squad reads a lot like Wire's from last year. They had a good back line, but weren't sure who was going to play fullback, this meant their halves were up in the air, with a player in Sandow is was class but looked short of form the year before, and a young lad in Patton, turned out they were helped by Gidley not having to play fullback. Their pack was ok with a real quality 9, and a standout young back row in Currie. Hill aside the rest of their pack is a bit ploddy and a bit old.

Then the rest of their squad was made up of fringe player youngsters and a couple of projects.

Lots of similarities and no reason why we can't compete for a top 4 spot, top 6 minimum IMO.