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Quote: Juan Cornetto "I actually do agree with you that frailties were evident last year including a massive drop off after the Wembley win. I felt there were clear signs that several in the squad were getting on and past achieving their best on a weekly basis and I saw flaws in Watkins, Hardaker and Sutcliffe. The management took a gamble on Sutcliffe recovering from serious injury and being good enough to start at 6 and they also risked McGuire staying free from injury.

However nobody could have predicted the extent and length of the injuries nor the inability of the team to play to the previous structures without on field leaders telling them where to stand and what to do. There does seem a lack of rugby nouse in some of them. Laziness and poor awareness at marker have cost us so many points this year and I do not think the squad looks fit enough.

Last year Cuthbertson with his offloads was a key element in our success. Towards the end of last season there were also clear signs that opposition sides had begun to work out how to deal with him so this year he is nowhere near as effective which has led him to make silly offloads which lose possession.

So we have a series of factors which when added together have brought about this huge loss of confidence creating a negative momentum leading to our downfall. Perhaps the return to fuller strength and a period in the middle 8s will see us become competitive again but we still need to recuit some top quality playmaker/leadership.'"


Head coach still doing a first class job though?

Just asking.

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Quote: Biff Tannen "I agree on JJB, the guy is giving his all as ever but is running on fumes now and doesn't have much left in him. Imo its very harsh to call time on McGuire yet. He has played some of the best rugby of his career over the last few years and has only just returned from injury into a side that is out of form, out of confidence and all over the shop, not really much he can do when his pack are being over run every game.

Its very easy to start writing off half the team as done or not good enough when you go through such bad spells as we are right now but i think the problems run much deeper as a collective team and a club than singling out current individual abilities and performances.'"


Fair enough, but McGuire's career has been mainly supporting breaks and gassing people.

He's never had a kicking game to write home about and he's not a particularly creative player.

Plus he's 34 now and not getting any faster - and his knees are screwed - much like JJB.

Again - totally appreciate the commitment and even the absolute need to pull a wage - but id much like to see my heroes of RL not hobbling around Leeds in the next 10+ years because their bodies fell apart...

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Quote: krisleeds "Add to that, with all respect to their commitment, McGuire and JJB are done.'"


How can you say that. Strange to select these two out of the under performing squad.

McGuire has only played 3 or 4 games this year and last season was one of the best if not the best. JJB returned from serious injury in March and has been one of our best performers and top tackler. He must be averaging around 40 tackles per game (many one on one) and despite missing the first part of the season is ahead of the likes of Bateman and only 23 behind Chris Hill in overall 10th spot. Someone unfairly commented that JJB is running on fumes.....well he could do to waft a few few of these Castrol R type fumes around the dressing room and get some more energy into his younger team mates.

Of course we have to plan for their replacements but there are several others that I would be looking to replace before theses two.

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "How can you say that. Strange to select these two out of the under performing squad.

McGuire has only played 3 or 4 games this year and last season was one of the best if not the best. JJB returned from serious injury in March and has been one of our best performers and top tackler. He must be averaging around 40 tackles per game (many one on one) and despite missing the first part of the season is ahead of the likes of Bateman and only 23 behind Chris Hill in overall 10th spot. Someone unfairly commented that JJB is running on fumes.....well he could do to waft a few few of these Castrol R type fumes around the dressing room and get some more energy into his younger team mates.

Of course we have to plan for their replacements but there are several others that I would be looking to replace before theses two.'"


Because everyone expected McGuire to be able to turn it all around on his own - and was probably rushed back.

That amount of pressure is not good for anyone - let alone an injury prone player.

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Quote: krisleeds "Because everyone expected McGuire to be able to turn it all around on his own - and was probably rushed back.

That amount of pressure is not good for anyone - let alone an injury prone player.'"


Any player returning from a long term injury will take time to gain match fitness and form. McGuire deserves this time and has a few season left him yet. Same goes for JJB although he shouldn't have to be doing other peoples tackling at his age.

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "But you are ignoring that it was HKR that sacked Chester so the tangible example is HKR who may now be regretting sacking Chester.'"


Unlikely there will be many if any regretting the pro-active approach taken by Hudgell tonight after they destroyed their former coach's new club away from home.

Both Hull KR and Wakefield's record since changing coach far better than Leeds' who are stubbornly sticking with theirs.

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