I'm sorry but that's pure kn@ckers. More than usual

Jimmy K. Not just effort, but effective effort. Great defensive reader of the game and sticks like gorilla glue when he tackles.

As Lilley has been mentioned, I think he actually looks a little overweight for a smaller guy . His defensive game needs major improvement. Some of the skills will come with experience. Difficult to predict how he will go. Not writing him off.

Achurch or Falloon for me

NRL by plenty

Have Cross and Vickery being trumped ?

The German for me. I must have missed those games Stevie Ward played this year

i didn't think it possible but Achurch sticking around on big money stinking the joint out and Falloon a real head scratcher and both on a decent wedge i expect.

Pound for pound two of the worst signings in Leeds history for me.

Keinhorst has been player of the year, and that says it all. He's an eighteenth man type player who wouldn't get into our team if it was fit and/or firing yet he's been our best. That's how bad the rest have been.

Your talking rubbish mate, Jimmy K is as good as someone like Atkins or Sarginson, its just that becasue he plays for us he cant get a game in the centres. Defensively solid and decent in attack, just not as skillful as Moon or as big a threat as Watkins (real Watkins not the impostor currently playing for us)

Having said that, Burrow has probably been our best player when played at 9

Jimmy the German hands down.

So what part of "he wouldn't get in our team if everyone was fit and firing" is "absolute rubbish" when you yourself admit he wouldn't play ahead of Watkins or Moon? Which on-form second row are you picking Keinhorst ahead of, Ferres, Ablett or Ward?

I'm not knocking Keinhorst, he's got a great work ethic and makes the very most of average ability, but if he's been our best (and he has) then it's little bloody wonder we're at the bottom of the league.

Keinhorst is more 'on form' than anyone you've mentioned, so in my eyes he deserves to keep his place in the starting 13.