This is pretty much one hundred percent how I feel. I think the buck stops with McDermott and he needs to step down. I manage a large team at work and if they fail to perform I'm the one who is ultimately responsible. I love what he has done( with some BIG help. ) to our club but I think we need to change. I'm not a glory seeker, I've seen lean times but when performance, desire and general appetite has gone we have to change.

Lack of desire, lack of effort? What games are you people watching? There are monumental efforts going on right across our team. Maybe not directed in the right way I'll grant but lack of effort is just a child-like reaction to the current situation.
The players are knackered, that's why they're missing tackles or not pushing up or not making it back in defence.

Why are they knackered? They had a hugely disrupted pre-season and half of them are injured.
No doubt someone will come along and say "that's no reason for such poor performances". Well, yes it sodding well is. And they're much more plausible reasons for what we're seeing than either the players don't care anymore, they're rubbish or the coach is rubbish. Which, again, are child-like responses and not thought out to any degree.

Garbutt started the season poor. He was way below the standard he set last year. (he was also in very good company!)

But improved dramatically when Cuthbo was injured. He's been the only ball hungry prop who has looked to do the hard yards. Singleton only seems to want to touch the ball if we're near the opponents try line.

Jesus, they are so hit and miss his posts.

Would Hall or Briscoe have give us an improvement on Handley? no they wouldn't. Infact Hall was a massive liability before his injury.

Would Moon have been an improvement on Keinhorst last few games? Not he wouldn't.

Ablett has played enough games this year, and the results or performance have not changed.

We are certainly missing McGuire and Ward, who would have been an improvement on there replacements, but that is it. And not sure either would have made diddly squat difference to most of the majority of the losses.

No leadership is a serious issue, pointed out by some before the season, and again is not relevant to injuries though, as we don't have it.

He'd have been an improvement on Watkins though, on current form.

Don't dissagree. But lets be honest about it, he wouldn't have replaced him would he?

Probably not but we could then put Keinhorst to 2nd row instead of Achurch.

IF we select on form alone then Achurch Watkins & Hall would be playing for Fev.

You're going on the basis that their poor form would've definitely continued, which it MIGHT have done but by no means a guarantee. Burrow was dire earlier in the year but has put in some good showings recently. Garbutt is improving from his early form and despite the criticism I think Galloway has improved. Very possible some of our absentees would've picked up their form if they weren't injured.

There is no criticism of the effort for the most part - there are players who appear to not giving 100% or not performing as they should - Achurch, Watkins, Galloway are these really showing a hunger/desire/will to win?

Why are the players knackered they have played less than half a season - a disrupted pre-season yes but by now they should be hitting their straps in terms of match fitness.

How many players on Friday were playing injured - Hardaker irresponsible to play him imo, they dropped Singleton to play Cuthbertson so you can only assume he was fit.

On McDermott - I don't see a logical game plan - it may be boring but dumb the plan down to trying to gain territory - all this off the cuff stuff is OK when you have all guns firing. The less said about the defensive structures and the lack of desire to defend the line the better.

Leadership is a huge issue - on Friday Cuthbertson and Ferris as experienced players let their team mates down and need a word in their ear during the game - there is trying and there is headless plays both these players came up with far too many of the latter. Leeds are compounding their other issues with suicidal plays on the field.

That is a difficult conundrum - Handley imo has been excellent and doesn't deserve to lose his place until he shows a significant deterioration in form.

It could be that some players just aren't as good as they looked in a winning side with Sinfield and Peacock at its heart?