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Quote: Mark Laurie "if sutcliffe can be half as good as that other son of hunslet, mick shoebottom all will be well for the next decade.'"


Agreed but atm he doesn't even look like 5% as good icon_sad.gif

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Quote: Sal Paradise "I an all this analysis you overlook one important element - the opposition and their ability to up their game should they have needed to?

The game has two teams it isn't a case of every opposing team is playing to the max. and the only team that can improve is Leeds?'"


No I didn't overlook the opposition Sal and I did not say Leeds needed to play to the max either.

It is clear from the stats and the performances that I have seen that we have lost tight games by poor decision making and bad handling. An example was Sutcliffe's woeful decision not to pass to the unmarked Watkins with an unmarked Briscoe outside him. No amount of opposition upping their game would have stopped 6 points to us. This is just one example out of many and again how many tries have gone begging with poor handling with defenses beaten. Watkins, Hardaker and others have fumbled the ball and cost us dearly.

As I pointed out we are bottom of the table with the lowest points for in the league yet we are the leading team for carries and offloads and 3rd best for tackle busts, clean breaks and metres made. So even you must acknowledge this clearly shows we have failed to take advantage of field position and opportunities and we all know why - poor decision making and bad handling plus missing 3 out of 4 of our back line and our main halfback playmaker.

I accept that we have given away too many soft tries so work has to be done all round but what you continue to overlook is that without our main playmaker in the halves and without our most effective centre and both international wingers our attack has been largely decimated and when you include a badly out of form MOS fullback and star centre you can see why.

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "No I didn't overlook the opposition Sal and I did not say Leeds needed to play to the max either.

It is clear from the stats and the performances that I have seen that we have lost tight games by poor decision making and bad handling. An example was Sutcliffe's woeful decision not to pass to the unmarked Watkins with an unmarked Briscoe outside him. No amount of opposition upping their game would have stopped 6 points to us. This is just one example out of many and again how many tries have gone begging with poor handling with defenses beaten. Watkins, Hardaker and others have fumbled the ball and cost us dearly.

As I pointed out we are bottom of the table with the lowest points for in the league yet we are the leading team for carries and offloads and 3rd best for tackle busts, clean breaks and metres made. So even you must acknowledge this clearly shows we have failed to take advantage of field position and opportunities and we all know why - poor decision making and bad handling plus missing 3 out of 4 of our back line and our main halfback playmaker.

I accept that we have given away too many soft tries so work has to be done all round but what you continue to overlook is that without our main playmaker in the halves and without our most effective centre and both international wingers our attack has been largely decimated and when you include a badly out of form MOS fullback and star centre you can see why.'"


Again you are not taking into account poor decision making by our opposition that could lead to even larger winning margins - this is a two way street. If Brough had run the ball on Friday rather than kick the drop goals the winning margin could have been even more emphatic. Are you suggesting are opponents haven't missed tries through the inability to execute - it is just Leeds? If you aren't I can't see any evidence of it in your posts.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Again you are not taking into account poor decision making by our opposition that could lead to even larger winning margins - this is a two way street. If Brough had run the ball on Friday rather than kick the drop goals the winning margin could have been even more emphatic. Are you suggesting are opponents haven't missed tries through the inability to execute - it is just Leeds? If you aren't I can't see any evidence of it in your posts.'"


You choose not to see the obvious facts I stated which are based on what has happened on the field. Other teams have been making the most of their chances and therefore already making better decisions with less room for improvement.

We are bottom of the table for try scoring and next to bottom for try assists yet 3rd for tackle busts and clean breaks and way out top for offloads and carries so we clearly have the most scope for improvement so your analogy does not stand scrutiny. It only needed a bit better decision making and a bit better handling to have made a huge difference to our results because having got into space with our busts, breaks and offloads or gained the field position with our carries and metres we failed to take advantage with very poor handling proved by our topping the error count.

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "You choose not to see the obvious facts I stated which are based on what has happened on the field. Other teams have been making the most of their chances and therefore already making better decisions with less room for improvement.

We are bottom of the table for try scoring and next to bottom for try assists yet 3rd for tackle busts and clean breaks and way out top for offloads and carries so we clearly have the most scope for improvement so your analogy does not stand scrutiny. It only needed a bit better decision making and a bit better handling to have made a huge difference to our results because having got into space with our busts, breaks and offloads or gained the field position with our carries and metres we failed to take advantage with very poor handling proved by our topping the error count.'"



I am sure the stats do not state that a tackle bust or break is at the same time as carries or territory. They are all seperate stats in their own right. Unless you go to the match and collate them and match them after, then you are in no position to make that statement.

Plenty of our busts and breaks have come from within our own twenty.

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Decision making like that of the coach who left Lilley (who had played in all 7 games upto Easter) warming the bench for the entire eighty at Castleford, a game in which Leeds made more metres, carries, offloads and clean breaks www.rugby-league.com/superleague ... port/12236 according to Opta, a game Leeds' inability to cross ultimately cost them, a game Leeds should have won.

And incidentally yet another game where Leeds were nearer to fielding their 1st choice seventeen according to the cumulative count of squad numbers: Castleford 236 - 213 Leeds
Decision making like that of the coach who left Lilley (who had played in all 7 games upto Easter) warming the bench for the entire eighty at Castleford, a game in which Leeds made more metres, carries, offloads and clean breaks www.rugby-league.com/superleague ... port/12236 according to Opta, a game Leeds' inability to cross ultimately cost them, a game Leeds should have won.

And incidentally yet another game where Leeds were nearer to fielding their 1st choice seventeen according to the cumulative count of squad numbers: Castleford 236 - 213 Leeds


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