Can't remember a game when any leeds forward ran an attacking line never mind a dummy run line ,that's why we can't create space for Watkins and he gets clattered every time he gets the ball.

The earliest ball Watkins gets is when he has to drive it in on 2nd tackle after a deep kick from opposition. Last year, when Aiton went crabbing right he got Watkins into space but with our current struggles he and moon end up doing prop like drives

Totally agree but why do we try to play the same systems week after week when clearly it's not working . We must have the best attacking centres in superleague one of the best wide runners and ball handlers in ferres but these type of players are getting destroyed by using them as prop forwards.Surely the coaching staff and players have a big enough skill set to alter the systems,or have they?

There was a point on Moday when Sutcliffe was shouting at Garbutt and Cuthbertson and gesturing them to step back to make their movements more of an option and neither of them moved, when he got the ball the defence were already in his face.
There was another moment vs Cas when we broke and Sutcliffe was calling for it open (probably looking to put in a crossfield kick as he did vs Saints last year) but the ball went blind where the defence had already numbered up.

The problems are not solely in the halves (though they need to be more aware of the tackle count)
If that had happened to danny brough hed be likely to start fight with his own team mates!

Interesting that the Roosters are having the same problem with young halfbacks - who after the WCC were being lauded as being of a standard SL can't produce, and yet now are both shot. Similarly they seem to be waiting for their experienced halfback to return (Pearce).

If we're being honest here the problem at halfback isn't Sutcliffe or Lilley, its Burrow. In McGuire's absence he should have been able to step up and take over responsibility for running the team. As it is he's been found wanting and dumped back to bench hooker.

Lilley and Sutcliffe simply don't have years of experience to draw on to be able to grind out performances when the team is down. What you'd expect to see is them giving cameos of increasing length as the season progresses. Dumping them in at the deep end when others are clearly out of form is a massive ask.

FWIW I still think Sutcliffe could well be the part in the long-term, so long as he can learn his trade alongside a decent partner.

I would also add that I have been disapointed in Falloon, a hooker should be an organisor as well and dictate where the play moves and often when the time is right to send in a forward or get the ball outwide. When we needed a drop goal he sent play away from the sticks on the 4th tackle meaning we couldnt go for it and then decided to throw a hospital pass instead of trying to force a repeat set.
Maybe all tthat coke has eroded his brain cells so he cant count to 6 anymore!

Glanville (who was superb for the Cowboys) did the same in golden point extra time in Brisbane on Friday. In that game Morgan shot the ball to Feldt who scores in the corner except the referees give a harsh/incorrect forward pass call. Similar hooker brain fades on the last with Burrow/Thurston setting for the drop. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

So getting back to the original thread.

Is there any substance to the Brough rumour. Personally I think having a quality player creating competition for places can only be a good thing.

Also I do reckon people saying Leeds would not want a certain Jamie peacock as he was Bull scum. Now I struggle to see who was the most popular Sinny or JP

funny that

be interesting to see the dynamics between brough, maguire and of course ferris - Handbags at dawn methinks

Nope. No chance of us signing him. Isn't happening.

I can see it now, chants on the Southstand going from 'DAAAAANY BROUGH..IS A W@n*£R... IS A W@n*£R!! " to "DANNY BROUGH IS F'ING BRILLIANT!!!!"




Not for me though, hope its just rumours.