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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"They dont cancel each other out because only one indulges differing valuations.
Whether there is a cap or not if Saints value Roby more than me im not likely to tempt him to leave.
if i do value Roby more than saints, the cap makes it harder for me to tempt him to leave.'"
This last post has finally made your point about the salary cap, make sense.
Up until then, I was with the other dissenters regarding your argument. If everyone has the same money, then surely, we are still on an even playing field.
Our valuations of each player is likely to be fairly consistent, but for a few quid here or there. (back to Kev's quote!!) But, if that 'few quid' becomes 'a lot of quids', then the player has a decision to make. (assuming the player's current club aren't willing to match the offer being made.)
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| Quote William Eve="William Eve"The deluded are those who know nothing about the game prior to SL.
That'd include you then.
RL has never had great media coverage but it's never been as desolate as it is right now.
Even during the so-called grim times of the 70's and 80's, national media coverage of the game was way beyond what it gets now.
Super League and the clubs seem to think that the media ought to be queueing up to provide the game with coverage and cries foul when it gets ignored. Yet, as Smokey has pointed out, the game provides next to nothing for the media to get interested in.
Transfers of big name players from big club to big club generates newsworthy headlines. We cannot even generate that kind of attention and haven't done so for over a decade at least. Super League is an absolute basket case.
Soccer, in spite of its huge media profile, still goes out of its way to encourage more media coverage. It doesn't sit on its backside waiting for things to happen and then start crying when it is ignored.
RL needs to generate publicity. It ain't going to generate itself.'"
Blah blah blah. I can't be bothered with your patronising pompous nonsense. RL doesn't get much media coverage because a large proportion of the country don't care. The international game is tiny in comparison to other sports, all the games top clubs are in the north and attendances of the top clubs are comparable to that of lower league football teams. A few transfers between top clubs isn't going to have much impact. Rl has had big news stories in the past with the change in structure, new teams being formed etc etc and no one really gave a sh*t.
If only we had Millward, Long and Gleeson to give us headlines. Maybe heatherington should flog watkins to Wigan so we can get a 5 line article on the BBC sport section, on the front page for 5 minutes until wayne rooney takes a dump.
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| surely its a steady stream of news - of which transfers are a part
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"surely its a steady stream of news - of which transfers are a part'"
exactly.
Transfer deadline day gets more ad time than we do for gods sake. Lets get some transfers then find a way to make as big a deal as we can about them.
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| Won't get into the transfer bit but completely agree the game needs to find ways of pumping out more stories and getting more personalities known of best players. I am sure much easier said than done
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| Quote William Eve="William Eve"Peacock from Bradford to Leeds in 2005 is the last one I can recall. Mickey Higham from St Helens to Wigan around the same time. Martin Gleeson's move from Warrington to Wigan in 2009 perhaps, though Warrington weren't Top SL club material at that stage.'"
The last one was probably Fielden to Wigan in 2006 (although Wigan were WBSLR at the time).
I think the big difference is Chairmen are less willing to shell out a transfer fee - probably because they are all skint. Most of the best players are tied into long-term contracts - I guvess the fear their form will drop and will get shipped out so enjoy the safety net of 4 year contracts. It's only a short career tbf.
Transfer fees were a regularity in the late 80s and 90s for the top players - Schoey, Hanley, Offiah, Lydon, Newlove, Scully etc. all top players that went for big money between big clubs. They are much rarer these days and the only recent (last few years), "considerable" ones I can recall are Westerman and Lineham to Wire, Ferres to Leeds, Salford signing rabble like Hock and Hansen and S.Tomkins, Bateman, Taylor and Green to Wigan. None really between top clubs though as the OP says.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"lets be honest, thats not really a list that proves big players move from big sides to other big sides is it. Only really Ferres with his extenuating circumstances would qualify, the rest are bit parters or old imports who are pretty much done.
Patrick, O'brien and Lunt were only loans, Russell didnt go from Wigan to Wire,'"
Players switching between SL clubs was APs spec, not "top" players and not transfers. Apparently it doesn't happen, which is why RL doesn't get press.
Stand corrected on Russell - forgot he briefly went to Aus.
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| OK then, one and all. We all know that our beloved sport generally has a poor following, and would benefit from more supporters. So.... what would make it appeal more?
Some suggest more headline stories...(But, given that fishing and gymnastics seem more mainstream sports than RL, would any newspapers run any headlines??)
Nobody in the South, (where I have lived for 30 years), have a clue what RL is. Many don't even realise there are 2 codes of rugby.
Transfers wouldn't make any impact as yet, as the general public wouldn't have a clue who was being transferred.. With the possible exception of Sinfield, I bet 99% of the population couldn't name a single RL player. Even names like Peacock, Roby, Tomkins, O'Loughlin, mean zero to most people.
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| Quote Mark Laurie="Mark Laurie"Sadly true, leeds virtually went bust trying to compete with Wigan. Wigan themselves who dominated for over a decade were £4m in debt despite all that success, 8 Wembley wins in a row etc. financially the game was cabbaged . I'm not sure the game would flourish with no cap, Warrington may do a modern day Wigan and the rest may get in a right mess chasing them. Most clubs are on the bones of their backsides now.'"
I have no problem with someone like Koukash coming onboard and spending whatever the heck he likes. It's his money after all. Let him spend big on star players. The game is crying out for that kind of generated publicity.
We currently have a poor product on the pitch desperately lacking in star quality brought about by a salary cap regime producing a non-existent transfer market for players between the top clubs. The very best marketing team in the world would struggle to sell nothing in particular.
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| Quote FlexWheeler="FlexWheeler"Blah blah blah. I can't be bothered'"
Stick to what you enjoy then.
Go fondle some spandex down at the gym.
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| The unfortunate thing is that, until we entice a wider following, and stop being a 'Northern' game, then we a bit scuppered!
I'd love to hear what opinions people would have to break that thought process.... (But i'm pretty sure the directors of the clubs have been working on that for some time. After all, they are all generally successful businessmen)
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