I always laugh at people who say that a player is good enough to play for a club (Leeds or whoever). You can be a very good player, but if you have little respect for the club and lazy, then is it worth having a super talent at your club? Keinhorst for example, is a good squad player. He is lucky to get some game time at Leeds.But he has more heart and shows more fight, than a number of alleged big name players. He gives his best and rarely lets his team down. He is not the most talented or the most skillful player by a long way. Personally I would rather have somebody like that in my team, than some Aussie like Galloway or Achurch.

Its amazing how people can knock a Coach like Brian Mcdermott. I presume its some fluke, that his teams has won the Grand Final and Challenge Cup so often. I presume he has little idea on the game looking at his record. Everybody knew Leeds would struggle this year. Some big name players like Ferres and Galloway have let themselves and teammates down so far. A bit unlucky that Danny Mcguire, your captain, is injured in the very first game. Leeds Rhinos, as I understand had a bad pre season with Kirkstall being out of action. Such things have a big impact. I am sure Mr Mcdermott has made some mistakes, but I think him and the Leeds club have had some bad luck. Looking at his record, any fans who think he is a poor coach, seriously need to look at what he has achieved and the respect he has from people, who have a far better understanding of the game than most, if not all on here.

From an FC fan; your assessment on Galloway is very, very kind. He looks shot. He reminds me of a player we would sign. He is a plodder and not a very good one.

The only real mistake I can remember Hadaker making was dropping a bomb. Aside from that I think you have to credit the quality of wigans kicks and their chase which limited Kick returns in general for us. He also made a couple of good tackles and a couple of kicks trying for a repeat set, something no one else seemed to be interested in.

Other than that I agree with what's been said. Manfredi looks like the prototype winger for the modern game.

Well said.

i said the jury is still out on the coach , is it him that should be credited with the trophy wins or was it more the experience of Sinny , J.P , Mags and others game management that has seen us through . I stil maintain that without Sutty getting injured we would not have won the treble and that was not down to the coach .

When it came to the crunch Sutcliffe wouldn't have kept Sinfield out of the side. Him being dropped and replaced by Sinfield in the early cup game vs Hudds showed that.

Have to agree. Sutty would be worth a shot at loose until Ward is back. He can't direct a team around the pitch, and he's doubley exposed by having a rookie in Lilley alongside him. However, they are both in the deep end. They will either sink or swim. We couldn't have had a much tougher start than Catalans and Wigan away and Wire, Giants, Thurston & co at home.

Catalan and Huddersfield were garbage when we played them

So we're Warrington. Not sure how much ball a team needs to be turned over to you to win a match.

The match last week, was the poorest quality match I have seen involving Leeds since the mid 90's.

That is an absolutely ridiculous statement, to say we would have done worse if a player was fit???
He was in the team on merit, and was playing better than sinfield before he got injured
Guess we dont know whether his form then or now is the outlier atm, will know more when the rest of the team wakes up

If Leeds turn into Wire or Saints, just buying old Aussie halfbacks instead trying to produce their own, then a huge portion of the club culture dies

One of the two sides McDermott has led as head coach has won trophies but the other didn't. If that comes as no great surprise then what made the difference - the club, the players, the facilities, the support of backroom staff etc.

Leeds won trophies before McDermott took charge also, the core group of players were champions already.

McDermott's tenure continues, can he lead Leeds to further success now the team is forced to evolve. Last season he was portrayed as a facilitator giving space and responsibility to key senior players - are enough/any of those type there anymore. SL is evening out/levelling down and if Wigan plus Warrington can keep winning consistently 3rd and 4th could go to any of the following six or seven teams and no reason why Leeds won't be one of them.