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"He's the best coach I've had... His mix of man-management and his game plan is second to none. Since Brian Mac has been in charge, we've been in every final so far. I love playing for him. I can't praise him enough, I've so much respect for him and I hope he's here for a very long time." Kevin Sinfield 29/9/12:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_68506.jpg



Quote: Gotcha "I really don't agree with all this rubbish on the amateur game, and the Aussies youngsters are better than ours. Yes, there is coaches that win at all costs rather than development, but that happens at Super League too.

We match the Aussies all the way with lads up to 16. We have quality players in this country, and a lot of those amateur coaches put a lot of hard work in to aid that development. Where we lose it big style is the development of players once signed pro with clubs, 16-19. For some reason that quality is often coached out of them, and instead they are played in unfamiliar roles and have to work to a robotic system.

Some come out of this still with their natural quality intact. We still have these players in super league, we have plenty. Plenty of Super League players could walk into NRL sides given the opportunity, but as a percentage of players in the game that isn't anywhere close to how many NRL players would walk into our sides. But Super League is a far better competition than given credit for at times. We will just always have those average players making up the numbers, and it is those average ones where we are behind the Aussies.

Said it plenty of times, over the last decade Leeds have had plenty of average players, but also quality players, and we have been lucky that those average players have managed to get a performance out to work with the quality. That doesn't always happen.'"


Excellent post.

Athleticism is a significant component that's lacking in those average players. Their body shape is too bulky/top heavy when compared to the Broncos players.

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It was Leeds' 7th WCC Final, Leeds recorded their lowest ever score (equal lowest try count, lowest goal count) while conceding their highest ever total (most tries against), goes without saying their biggest ever defeat in this fixture and by some considerable distance. Previous reversals were by 4, 8 and 8 - on Sunday by 34.

Over the course of eight days 16 - 94 (-7icon_cool.gif, you have to go back to the dark days of 1996 to find a bigger brace (-38 & -54 - home to Bradford then away at Wigan)

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Quote: tvoc "It was Leeds' 7th WCC Final, Leeds recorded their lowest ever score (equal lowest try count, lowest goal count) while conceding their highest ever total (most tries against), goes without saying their biggest ever defeat in this fixture and by some considerable distance. Previous reversals were by 4, 8 and 8 - on Sunday by 34.

Over the course of eight days 16 - 94 (-7icon_cool.gif, you have to go back to the dark days of 1996 to find a bigger brace (-38 & -54 - home to Bradford then away at Wigan)'"

Rather factual post TVOC which will be deemed negative and against the spirit of being a true Leeds fan. You'll have torquemada81 denouncing you if you're not careful.

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Quote: leedsnsouths "Most worrying sign for me is that when we didnt get the bounce of the ball for 10 mins it completely destroyed our patience, we had little resilience and didnt absorb the pressure well enough, I actually think the fitness of some of the player is questionable
Mcguire still captain for me, JJb to share with Burrow until Mags is back
Who are you gonna bring in for Lilly or Sutcliffe? and its not there fault we have shipped so many points in the last 2 games
Hardaker seems vey out of sync in attack imo, he isnt pushing through holes in support when they are available and is being given the ball to early to properly link in with the line (though that might not be his fault) and isnt offered the overlap enough, our attacking set plays in general are poor, in fact, when was the last time we scored off an attacking passing set play? these are problems that persisted last year as well though'"


the tries are not their fault in so far as sutty can't help having one leg and lilley can't help their size ,
last year zak looked looked dangerous and sutty was good when fit and kev then played better than b4 his axing.

we've got away with 2 small hb and letting kev off tackling

to be proven if falloon and jjb can add anything (jjb only less likely than achurch to get injured)

last year we had a new angle of cuthbo but no organised moves.

in a speech jjb said last year was the coming together of what mcd had been putting in place previous years

so did they rely on jp and did they factor in garbutt arriving 14 games earlier than planned

was discussing on way to widnes how have been planless and idealess for years

even the 80s had the wall move William

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Quote: The Magic Rat "The lack of creativity is a major problem atm. I don't remember us breaking them down last night at all . Scoring tries against the cowboys was always going to be difficult but we struggled to score in the 2 previous games too. Having Mcguire out hasn't helped but he is going to be missing for a few weeks yet.'"


We wernt very good in attack but you have to remeber some of these NRL defences are incredibly well drilled, there was a semi-final a few years back that finished 4-0 and that included Foran Pearce DCE and Maloney, so its hard to be too critical of our attack based on this game

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Quote: SmokeyTA "No, the point is that Coote run through because a kicker of Thurstons quality gets that kick through, a kicker of Burrow's quality, or any of the names you mentioned before dont do as often.

And i dont think it is fitness, it was that NQC asked questions nearly every tackle constantly rolling forward and moving them about and keeping leeds on the back foot. NQC's structure and execution meant they didnt have to work as hard

I would go as far as saying I dont think NRL players are fitter than SL players in any meaningful way. I dont think they are particularly faster or more athletic. I just think they are better. What an SL player can do 8 times out of 10, an NRL player can do 99 times out of 100 and these are simple things.
You are right those little 1%s are the difference. But those 1%s are the pass being right on the button so the receiver isnt stretching or stuttering, the right pass being chosen, the bomb going that little bit higher, having that bit more spin on it, the grubber being that bit more accurate.'"


The kick dint go where he wanted, the fullback was just working harder than everyone else just in case.
They may not be much fitter, but at the 50 min mark we had used one sub and I think NQL had used all of theres? Next year they definitely will be anyway as their subs are dropping from 10 to 8

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