No wife and no wrist, gonna a tough few weeks for him

how?

The idea sides 'wanted' it more doesnt hold any water when you remember we wouldnt even risk home advantage for it, but for the bounce of a ball Wigan would have pretty much won it by default last year.

Interestingly, Huddersfield not only earned more points than us in the Super 8s this year, but actually needed more points, in fewer games to win the title in 2013, and there were fewer points covering the top 8 (albeit 1 point) that year than this.

Very disingenuous & selective use of statistics I'm afraid - you need to do better.

In 2013 it was a 14 team league, the bottom 6 being Salford, London, Castleford, Wakefield, Widnes & Bradford.
In 2015 there were only 12 in the league. Further, for the last 7 games of the league the games were only against the other top 8 sides, removing the "whipping boy" bottom 4 clubs.

Just on the basis of logic, to play only 11 teams home & away (the 2 weakest from 2014 having been kicked out of the league), then to play the top 7 thereafter once (home or away) has got to be more difficult than playing 13 teams home & away - surely?

Of course it's harder to win the LLS nowadays. If the old system was in play, we would have won it comfortably. Every minute does matter now. Fortunately, we built up a great lead upto and including August which allowed us to drop points in September. Saints (top 4), Cas (their cup final), Catalan away (almost unbeatable there) and Hudds away (top 4) in September is a ridiculous run in. To come out on top after all that is unbelievable.

I might add that in a discussion about the difficulty of winning a league, what significance does a "bounce of a ball" have? Do you not think that in previous years there were close games decided by similar bounces of balls?

Also, what significance does getting more points in the Super 8s have? The LLS is awarded to the team with the most points after 30 rounds of matches, not what happens after the first 23 rounds.

What is selective or disingenuous about them? what statistics do you have that would contradict it?

On a more subjective basis Dont forget that a large amount of those super 8's games were dead rubbers for one of the sides, Wire were serving up some absolute dross, Hull FC won 1 game in the super 8s, and in my opinion the teams at the bottom of SL in 2015 were worse than those at the bottom in 2014, Wakefield were a free 4 points for pretty much every side and worse than London in 2013

but everybody else we were competing with had a similar run-in (and a few did better than we did)

my point was that Wigan last year were not a great side, they had flickerings of a decent one, but couldnt win away from home and put in some pretty poor performances. How can this LLS be so difficult to win if it can be won by a team who wins 4 away games all year?
Youre point was that the super 8s and the additional fixtures make winning the LLS more difficult to win, but as we proved, a side doesnt need to be the best in the super 8s to win the LLS, a side can win thee games in the first 23 rounds and then, for instance, only win 4 of 7 in the super 8s.

"Similar" being the operative word. How many had a challenge cup semi final and final to contend with? Certainly not Wigan or Huddersfield. We had no rest. How many had to go to Catalans away? How many teams lost vital playmakers to injury (Aiton, Burrow)? All highly significant points.

Equally more subjectively, how many of the 2007,8,9,10,11,12,13,14 games were "dead rubbers" for the top, say, 8 teams? Which teams in previous years were serving up some absolute dross?

If Wakefield were a free 4 points in 2015 (they got 6 points from 23 games), what does that make London in 2014 (2 points from 27 games)?

There are invariably statistics that can back either side of most cases, but one thing is a matter of fact (as I stated in a previous post):
Just on the basis of logic, to play only 11 teams home & away (the 2 weakest from 2014 having been kicked out of the league), then to play the top 7 thereafter once (home or away) has got to be more difficult than playing 13 teams home & away - surely?

What??? Wigan gained 41 points from 30 league games (exactly the same as Leeds as it happens). WTF does their away form have to do with anything? In fact, by that logic Leeds should not have won the LLS due to their abysmal home form! (Haven't checked, but I'm assuming that we won more than 4 away games

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