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All those saying Tomkins has been crap in the NRL, have you actually watched him? Because he really hasn't. He's been injured for a lot of this season so there's not much to take from it but in 2014 he was certainly good enough. The NZW fans loved him and believed they were a much better side with him in it.

I don't really see why it has to be either or with Tomkins/Hardaker, the aussies don't have all these crying and moaning over Slater and Inglis. They can both be accommodated and both deserve to. If Tomkins plays Fullback and Hardaker is in the centres then so what? tbh I'd wager that some of the Leeds players might like a rest after this season.

The fact of the matter is Tomkins has proven himself to be class, whilst his defence is not as good as Hardaker's his attack is better in every way (actually maybe not his pace anymore but we'll see) and one dodgy season, due to injury, in a struggling side in the top competition doesn't mean he's overrated and a player.

The aussies have certain lynchpins in their team who are selected every year even though other players may have had better form during the season, Tomkins is one of those for England as is Hall, Roby, Graham, O'Loughlin, Westwood.

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I think its fair to say that Wigan, as things stand, will be the team to beat next year. It's almost certain they will also go back to the old style of most things catered for, and going through Sam Tomkins and if he isn't that same player of a couple of years ago and teams are able to shut it down, it could create problems for Wigan as it is very one dimensional. I suppose we will get an idea in this coming series.

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Tomkins is a great player....no doubt but i will be mightily relieved to see the back of Bowen who seems to save his absolute best games for us.

Leeds have, on occasions, got some mileage out of Tomkins failings at full back but Bowen seemed to destroy us every time we played, inc last Saturday when he was one of the better players on the pitch.

I'm also not quite ready to crown Wigan. Burgess will be a loss and I've heard rumours that O'Loughlin may hang up his boots due to the injuries.

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Quote: G1 "Tomkins is a great player....no doubt but i will be mightily relieved to see the back of Bowen who seems to save his absolute best games for us.

Leeds have, on occasions, got some mileage out of Tomkins failings at full back but Bowen seemed to destroy us every time we played, inc last Saturday when he was one of the better players on the pitch.

I'm also not quite ready to crown Wigan. Burgess will be a loss and I've heard rumours that O'Loughlin may hang up his boots due to the injuries.'"

If that's true about O'Loughlin, then why pick him over Cuthbertson for England? Shows McBanana up to be exactly what he is. A Useless Rugby League Coach.

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Quote: G1 "I'm also not quite ready to crown Wigan. Burgess will be a loss and I've heard rumours that O'Loughlin may hang up his boots due to the injuries.'"


Wigan are on two GF defeats. As saints can testify, that can become a habit.

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Quote: G1 "I'm also not quite ready to crown Wigan. Burgess will be a loss and I've heard rumours that O'Loughlin may hang up his boots due to the injuries.'"


Man for man there is no way Wigan should be favourites. Their scrum half is garbage, they are weak in the centres, their props are mediocre, hooker one-dimensional, loose forward on borrowed time. How they achieve so much has to be a credit to Wane.

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