We need the strength of KIenhorst and his defensive quality compared to Goulding who is not yet physically matured. I don't see GOulding doing the donkey work that's required coming off our own line out of defence, the saints forwards will eat him for breakfast and spit him out. In time this kid will be a revelation at full back, he might have to wait a few years until HArdaker moves to stand off with the captains arm band! I fear for us Friday, because I don't feel we have clicked and played well for 80 minutes this season. Saints are very good in defence and very fast off the defensive line and at times bordering offside. Leeds are poor when a team get in their face and then lack the go forward as it was plain to see at Warrington. Our forwards are not as big as the SAints pack. To beat them we need to hold them in the middle and shift the ball quickly outside to Watkins and moon and this how we can get around saints IMO. Without Briscoe and Hall I feel the forwards workload will be increased further. Four tough games coming up that will shape our season and if we get two wins from these I will be very happy and feel confident we can finish in the two. Time will tell and we also need luck with injuries I guess.

The long-term would more likely see Golding at 6 than a player who can't or won't pass.

That will come.

On what basis do you make that assumption? We're not talking about a small addition to someone's game. We're talking about someone who currently struggles to even look to pass the ball being able to develop into one of the key ball handlers in the team. He's not some 18-year old who will develop his game, he's 23. I'm struggling to recall a player in their mid 20s making that sort of switch.

Looking at leeds I'd say Rob Burrow still can't pass properly well over a decade after he started. McGuire has always had a good pass in him, even when he was primarily a runner. Sinfield has always had a passing game as he never had much of a running game. Going further back Schofield was a great winger's centre before he moved to stand off.

I'm happy to be proven wrong, but I still don't see Hardaker making stand off. I'm not even sure why you'd necessarily want him to either TBH - he's good at what he does from full back.

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I have to agree with this, Hardakers main contribution has been the metres he's made this season, if he hadn't missed the Warrington game this season, he would undoubtably be the leader for metres made in the super league, you switch him to stand off and you've lost almost all that part of his game.

Dont see Hardaker as a natural 6/7.

I've never understood the thinking that Hardaker will eventually move into the halves. For all the improvement he has made as a player his passing has remained mediocre at best. Also, he's still relatively new to the FB role so IMO he should concentrate on becoming the best FB he can because that's the position that best suits his skill set. He doesn't have the skills of Lockyer, Davies or Pryce, or the organisational skills of someone like Edwards to be able to make a successful transition into the halves IMO
Golding, at 18, is much more likely to be able to move into the halves, and that's probably where he'll end up. I'm not sure it will be at Leeds though.

Lots of guff on boots n all about Saints injury woes, and not on jot about Hall, Briscoe, Kylie and Delaney being out

I posted the same thing a few weeks ago.

With those players out i'll raise you Wellens,Vea,Greenwood,Percival,Dawson & Lomax

I thought you said raise, guffaw.