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| Quote rhinoms="rhinoms"On the face of it losing by 12pts v Wire in a grind isn't a crisis and to be fair what went wrong can be turned around quite easily.
However saying that when you dig deeper into the performance i think there are reasons for concern going forward.
Sinfield again was awful ,Mcguire was just as bad and this going on your own against a set defence is sh## so i hope & think he should be told as such in no uncertain terms.
Kylie was a passenger and Jjb was again blowing out of his arris but kept on long enough to again concede dumb penalties.
JP just can't carry this pack on his own anymore and whilst it's fair to question some of Cuthbos offloads we know 90% of the time he has that intent so why no support runners or even worse twice i saw players turn their back on him.
Seeing that team make so many dumb decisions and even worse imo panic when there's so much experience on the pitch says to me that perhaps there should be one or two changes.
Again i think it's criminal how little quality ball our back line gets off the HB's even when allowing for the grind we were sucked into the lack of creativity or nous to try something different was poor and again highlighted the shortcomings within the Coaching department.
Yes we were unlucky with some calls but we never looked like winning that game imo and that's poor tbf.
Hopefully we turn it around and it doesn't become a rut but i think the time has come to start rotating and preparing for the departures of the old guard.'"
Yep, pretty much how I saw the game. A lazy performance from too many rather than out and out shoite. His conversions apart. Sinny's tactical kicking leaves a lot to be desired lately, and I think he had more brain farts last night than in the entire previous season. Our pack frightens nobody, Danny Mac is yards slower, both in attack and defence, but we have known that for a while as well, and young Ward looks like picking up JJB's mantle of penalty machine.
Our try was excellently worked, but 30 seconds of magic is a poor return for 80 minutes of fairly bland RL, which included too much of the headless chicken variety. Golding showed promise, and is well worth an outing in the future.
A meh sort of a match. No need to be cutting wrists just yet.....
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| Warrington deserved to win, the defensive effort was superb. They also looked highly motivated more so than recent performances.
I am not unduly worried as I don't think there is much between the top clubs. Tactically we were naive, especially on the fifth tackle, aimlessly booting the ball high up to ratchford who to his credit does not drop them.
On the plus side singleton and ward are looking the part, on the minus side our half backs are poor, we need to release our centres and wings more ,as any of our half back combinations are woefully slow in thought and action this is a major problem.
I don't think any refereeing decisions cost us the game but the shambles around the ruck by Warrington went virtually unpunished all night.
I don't relish to be defeated by any club but I have respect for the wire as a club and tony smith. Also in the wire team there is no cheap shot merchants. Unlike next weeks visitors who have cornered the market in cheap shot merchants.
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| I think the score flattered Leeds - there was never any point in the game where you thought Warrington would not win. Leeds definitely didn't get the rub of the green when it came to the refereeing decisions but that usually happens to the team on the back foot.
Leeds have never been a strong team attacking in the opponents 20 and that was exposed again yesterday, they need to play to their strengths of long range tries - no surprise the try originated in Leeds' own half. The back line is full of superb athletes they need to work on getting these players into more appropriate attacking situations.
Cuthbertson demonstrated why he is in SL and not in the NRL - there appears little selectivity in his offloading and his defence was exposed for Penny's try. He adds a different dimension to the attack but he needs to sharpen up his output if Leeds are to really benefit from his skills.
The half backs were terrible last night - not sure what you do to alter it?
You can see why this is Peacock's last season - he doesn't win the collision anymore and is really looking his age. As for Kylie - the less said the better, fingers crossed this is his last year.
On a positive - huge shifts from Ward, Ablett and JJB. Singleton continues to progress and Golding went OK.
Much to work on if Leeds are going to make the top 4 - especially as the back end of the season will be a struggle for older players in the squad. A win against Wigan is a must - a loss will really put the cat amongst the pigeons.
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| Quote BillyRhino="BillyRhino"and young Ward looks like picking up JJB's mantle of penalty machine.
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Ward didn't give away one penalty last night.
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"
The half backs were terrible last night - not sure what you do to alter it?'"
this should have been sorted in the off season sal and you know the 2 players i would have brought in from outside of the club to rectify this
sutty has to get an extended starting role in the halves and i would also be prepared to give lilley a shot in the 7 role based on last nights abject performance from our incumbent halves
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| For a side with a 34 year old and a 32 year old at half-back, the lack of leadership around the park was absolutely shocking.
No questioning the effort, but there are players in this Leeds side who seem to need a vocal organiser on the field to tell them what to do and where to run, and neither Sinfield nor McGuire were providing it.
Burrow did his usual trick of running up his own backside. Against well organised defences he offers nothing. Credit to Hull FC for managing to make him look like a superstar last week.
The McGuire-Sutcliffe partnership went well in pre-season. With Sinfield off the field McGuire seems much more prepared to take on a leadership role rather than sink back into his comfort zone of playing second fiddle. Time to revive it against Wigan, if Sinfield is going to play then it's off the bench to spell Aiton at dummy half.
As for the output from Peacock and Leuluai, the least said the better. JP looks like the cue is already on the rack and this is a farewell tour of SL, while Leuluai simply can't cut it at this level any more. With the vastly reduced amount of minutes both are getting, it seems the coach has come to a similar conclusion.
What happens between now and February 2016 is going to be pivotal in how the club performs over the next 5-10 years. I just hope the CEO isn't content to settle for hoping the cheap option of the Academy coughing up another "Golden Generation".
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| Quote Jonesy's a Legend="Jonesy's a Legend"this should have been sorted in the off season sal and you know the 2 players i would have brought in from outside of the club to rectify this
sutty has to get an extended starting role in the halves and i would also be prepared to give lilley a shot in the 7 role based on last nights abject performance from our incumbent halves'"
I agree but one of the halves is an untouchable and will be selected regardless of form which has ben woeful since Shaun Johnson waltzed passed him.
Lilley is a good call especially once the position in the top eight is secured - some evolution needs to happen, Sutcliffe doesn't seem to be getting a fair crack of the whip to me.
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| Quote Andy Gilder="Andy Gilder"For a side with a 34 year old and a 32 year old at half-back, the lack of leadership around the park was absolutely shocking.
No questioning the effort, but there are players in this Leeds side who seem to need a vocal organiser on the field to tell them what to do and where to run, and neither Sinfield nor McGuire were providing it.
Burrow did his usual trick of running up his own backside. Against well organised defences he offers nothing. Credit to Hull FC for managing to make him look like a superstar last week.
The McGuire-Sutcliffe partnership went well in pre-season. With Sinfield off the field McGuire seems much more prepared to take on a leadership role rather than sink back into his comfort zone of playing second fiddle. Time to revive it against Wigan, if Sinfield is going to play then it's off the bench to spell Aiton at dummy half.
As for the output from Peacock and Leuluai, the least said the better. JP looks like the cue is already on the rack and this is a farewell tour of SL, while Leuluai simply can't cut it at this level any more. With the vastly reduced amount of minutes both are getting, it seems the coach has come to a similar conclusion.
What happens between now and February 2016 is going to be pivotal in how the club performs over the next 5-10 years. I just hope the CEO isn't content to settle for hoping the cheap option of the Academy coughing up another "Golden Generation".'"
he will =/
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"I agree but one of the halves is an untouchable and will be selected regardless of form which has ben woeful since Shaun Johnson waltzed passed him.
Lilley is a good call especially once the position in the top eight is secured - some evolution needs to happen, Sutcliffe doesn't seem to be getting a fair crack of the whip to me.'"
David - both halves are untouchable irrespective of form.
When was the last time McGuire was dropped when fully fit, despite some mediocre showings over the last couple of years? You could argue that the lack of alternatives has hamstrung the coach in previous seasons. That is clearly no longer the case.
I still think it's too early for Lilley. I'd like to see how he goes in open age rugby, maybe out in Champ One on loan somewhere the defences are a bit more wise and there are old heads who will try to take him off his game. Let him get some confidence under his belt of knowing he can cut it against "grown-ups" before moving him into SL.
As I said previously, McGuire looks a better player with Sinfield off the field. Do you sacrifice the captain's goal-kicking to bring Sutcliffe into the side, particularly when one of your other kicking options is currently busier doing house calls in Burley at 3am rather than concentrating on his game?
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| Quote sgtwilko="sgtwilko"Sorry mate, I think you are $hite, don't rate you at all. Deal with it.'"
now your trolling your own forum. :lmfao
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| Penalty count 7-1 in favour of the Wolves.
Only in Bentham's world.
I did refer to him as hometown when I saw he was to be the ref.
I know he wasn't the sole reason we lost but he sure didn't harm their efforts.
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